Re: Finding an improved release process.

[Eduard Bloch <edi@gmx.de>]

Moin Thiemo!
Thiemo Seufer schrieb am Montag, den 29. November 2004:

> > > Well, if people had been willing to maintain it, yes. But there didn't
> > > seem to be any significant interest in doing so. 
> > 
> > On the other hand, it worked already.
> 
> Yes, it worked once upon a time. Without 2.6 support, without hardware
> detection, without LVM, without Wireless support, and so on.

Adding 2.6 would not be that complicated (I ported them to 2.4 a while
ago, that was a major step but comparable easy). HW detection is a
matter of taste, LVM is a comparable new feature in d-i and it would not
be that complicated to add it to bfs. Same for wireless support.

>From my point of view, we could have released Sarge one year after Woody
with boot-floppies. The only thing needed was a bit more man power from
the porters. Instead, most of the "core team" and the BFs porters
stopped to work on it. And without manpower (motivated people), there
will be no development.

OTOH many new people jumped into the boat following the ideas of having
a cool, fresh-fashioned installer. IMO (only IMO) most of them had bad
memories about their first Debian install so they doomed BFs without
any closer look at the source.

Well, the outcome of d-i development is good, but not that impressive
(no GUI, no jumping penguins, confusing partitioner tool). Sometimes
they have made the same errors we did with BFs, sometimes new things
have been invented.

> >We seem to decide we have to rewrite the installer from scratch for
> >each new release, and it seems to slow us down each time.
> 
> Apparently everyone who actually had a look at the boot-floppies source
> used up a stack of brown paper bags and decided to _not_ put more
> effort into it.

Bullshit, it has a pretty understandable structure. OTOH you needed to
know C, it were not some peanuts with cewl shell scripting.

> We don't even managed to do security updates of boot-floppies for that
> reason.

What?! There is security update because some porters were not able to
fix such things in time. Because of lazyness and irresponsibility, not
"the bad boot-floppies code".

Regards,
Eduard.
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