Re: Bug#283578: ITP: hot-babe -- erotic graphical system activitymonitor
On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 08:47:45 -0600, John Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org> said:
> On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 12:28:20PM -0200, Fernanda Giroleti Weiden wrote:
>> "It is also the type of discussion that deterred me from becoming
>> involved in Debian for some time."
>>
>> http://lists.debian.org/debian-women/2004/12/msg00011.html
> Indeed, and in addition to the powerful legal arguments, this is
> another powerful argument.
> If our goal is to advance the cause of a Free operating system, then
> why should we be including, in our OPERATING SYSTEM, images that
> serve no useful purpose, and instead alienate millions or billions
> of people worldwide?
porn serves no useful purpose? What planet are you living on?
60% of internet traffic is porn related, they tell me. Sexual
fantacy and release are an integral part of the psyche, especially in
this modern world where lots of people postpone child rearing and
procreation.
> How does this advance our stated priorities: our users and Free
> Software?
If our users fit the norm for homo sapiens, then viewing porn
is a significant activity for a largish subset of our users. Why
should we not be facilitating that?
> Does anyone seriously think that we are being a disservice to users
> because we don't have porn integrated into the operating system?
Umm, not really. There apparently is so much pr0n out there,
and fresh pron at that, that packageed porn would rapidly pall
against fresh meat on the net.
> Does anyone seriously think that including these particular images
> would be such an overwhelming benefit?
I think theyhave as much benefit as vi, yes. Not much,
personally, but I can see why some users can find them to be of
merit.
> Regardless of our personal opinions on this particular question, the
> fact remains that it is deeply offensive to many people. This is
Sure. Purity was deeply offensive to many people as
well. Then, as now, the argument went that the right not to be
offended is not a very valuable freedom.
> not the right way to show people that Free Software is the way to
> go. By all means, let's be open and inclusive and accept Free
> software from everywhere and users from everywhere. But at the same
> time, we don't have to accept images from everywhere nor any
> developer that knocks at our door.
Oh, only free software when it fits my narrow morality.
> This is not our fight. Let's fight for Free Software, and let
> others battle this one out.
Free software is about freedom of expression -- and freedom to
use software one can control for activities one pursues. Why should
the endeavour of viewing pornography legally be discriminated against?
manoj
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Scenery is here, wish you were beautiful.
Manoj Srivastava <srivasta@debian.org> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/>
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