Re: The unofficial buildd effort and its shutdown - my POV
Manoj Srivastava <srivasta@debian.org> writes:
> On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 21:59:13 +0200, Ingo Juergensmann <ij@2004.bluespice.org> said:
>
>> Well, as being one of those buildd host admins, i'm feeling very
>> frustrated and tired about how non-DDs are treated by the project.
>
>
> And how is that? Non-DD's can't contribute directly,
> yes. Their work is generally gated into the project after being
> vetted by DD's. Membership in Debian comes with responsibilities,
> commitments, and yes, privileges.
>
>> There have been talk behind the scenes that Goswin is an "unwanted
>> person" for some obscure reason (an old story dealing with
>> EagleLinux where he was involved in), but that story was years ago
>> and I saw no reason why that should be a reason to not to use his
>> CPU power.
>
> You got anything to back this allegation up? Who is this
> mysterious entity gabbing about Goswin in secret? (I am not even sure
> what EagleLinux is or was, or what it has to do with Debian).
Eagle hired some m68k Linux/Debian users, including me later in the
project, to create a Linux CD for Amigas. Given that Debian is the
best and already had m68k in unstable the Eagle Linux was based on
Debian but with a new installer and a handbook tailored for Amigas.
As to who gabbs about me: The entities are indeed mysterious even to
me.
A small quote from my rejection mail:
| IMO/IME Goswin doesn't work well with others. Perhaps not to the
| extent of e.g. Eray, but never the less, enough to be a
| problem. Unfortunately most of the people I asked weren't willing to
| go on record with their comments so I'm afraid you'll have to judge
| for yourself ...
As seen just recently here people do come forward in support of
me. But the DAM couldn't even find one person willing to come forward
against me? Whom did he asked? How many did he ask? Did he look at
people that got offended by something I said and ask just them (and
still couldn't get them to put their name on it)?
For me it remains a mystery.
>> In parallel I tried to get other m68k machines online and succeeded
>> there. I had seriously no problems with James Troup - until I began
>> to work together with Goswin on the buildd front. Since then it was
>> difficult to get new buildds added to the ACLs for wanna-build. At
>> the same time other people managed to get their new buildds added
>> within days, whereas my buildds were stucked for *weeks*. Coincidence?
>
>
> Umm, I seem to recall you telling the buildd admins in Debian
> that heir security concerns were "silly". I would think that may have
> something to do with it too.
TIMELINE. That was after the fact. Actually the not getting buildds
added was the reason for reusing a publically visible user/pass pair
(as it had been done before in the past).
What Ingo said is silly was calling the user/pass pair secure while
they where in a lot of failure logs on buildd.debian.org for everyone
to see.
> manoj
> --
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> Manoj Srivastava <srivasta@debian.org> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/>
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