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Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge

On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:23:20 -0500, Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org> said: 

> On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 01:47:07PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> > I don't see any particular problems with taking as long as it
>> > takes to update the Debian system to conform to the new social
>> > contract, although obviously I'm disappointed that that looks
>> > like taking longer than a few weeks.

>> > OTOH, if uploading packages and making a release isn't something
>> > that is covered by the social contract, I can't really see how
>> > anything we do could be. And I'm not willing to accept that as a
>> > principle.

>> I am not sure I am on the same page anymore. Yes, the social
>> contract has changed. If we accept that it is going to take time to
>> bring everything in line with the new version, and I think it is
>> reasonable to do so, I think that life does not stop until we do
>> so.  We still have people using our software, we continue to
>> provide them security uploads, do bug fixes, and heck, even release
>> Sarge, all the while working towards making the system conform to
>> the SC.

>> In other words, I can see decopling the security upgrades, bug
>> fixes, and a long overdue stable release as being good for the
>> users, without in any way detracting from the desire and intent of
>> making the system conform to the new version of the SC.

> But the GR as passed didn't include any sort of time limit.  If the
> changes in the SC don't take effect immediately for all activities,
> the other end of the spectrum is that we have unlimited time to
> bring main into compliance.  Anything in between would be quite
> arbitrary, and I think it's reasonable to ask for a clarification
> from the project at large before picking an arbitrary point.

	Yes, indeed there was no time limit. But this could be left up
 to the discretion of the people in charge of the area, with
 cooperation from the developers; Aren't we all, all reasonable men?
 (with apologies to the ladies).

	Thoughtful pause.

	No, perhaps you are right. But asking for a reasonable time to
 implement the changes in the social contract does not requires
 rescinding and restoring the social contract amendments; it could
 just be a statement of purpose, a working guide to the change,
 perhaps with a hard deadline. The foundation document stays

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