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Re: Upgrading RH 4.1 to bo



On Tue, 4 Mar 1997, Christoph wrote:

> I satisfied dpkgs hunger for a database with
> 
> >/var/lib/dpkg/status
> 
> dpkg --clear-avail
> 
Way cool! This means that /var/lib/dpkg/info is not necessary for new
installations? You just have to be willing to clean up the trash after the
installation.

Also, I assume that when you finally install dpkg that it builds and
populates the alternatives, info, methods, parts, and updates directories?

I can see where a script to copy all libraries into /usr/local, re-run
ldconfig and then replace the links to point to the /usr/local copies and
delete the original library copies. Then when the installation is complete
for the new Debian system, just kill all the old links and wipe
/usr/local. Does this sound right?

How did you transition the init portion of the system?

Thanks,

Dwarf

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> And until shadow moves to the main distribution - we need that before the
> freeze.

I don't think I can justify that.  Shadow was supposed to be moved into
unstable in the week preceeding the freeze of Rex.  Since it _still_ hasn't
happened, I can only conclude that it will take an indefinite amount of
time to get it moved.  I'm not willing to postpone the freeze of Bo
by an indefinite amount.

Shadow has until the end of the week to move to unstable or it will have
to wait until the next release.

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In your email to me, Brian C. White, you wrote:
> 
> > And until shadow moves to the main distribution - we need that before the
> > freeze.
> 
> I don't think I can justify that.  Shadow was supposed to be moved into
> unstable in the week preceeding the freeze of Rex.  Since it _still_ hasn't
> happened, I can only conclude that it will take an indefinite amount of
> time to get it moved.  I'm not willing to postpone the freeze of Bo
> by an indefinite amount.
> 
> Shadow has until the end of the week to move to unstable or it will have
> to wait until the next release.

This isn't good. I think (from a quick look at it) tha samba is 
reliant on shadow. Since I upgraded a box to the latest samba, passwords
don't authenticate. I may have missed something tho...

Tim

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On Tue, 4 Mar 1997, Ioannis Tambouras wrote:

> 
>     I have a AMD586-133 chip whose architecture more resembles 
>   an enchanced 486 cpu rather than a pentium. In terms of performence, is
>   it better to compile with the [486] or the [586] parameter during 
>   make config?

Generally in my experiance the performance difference of optimizing for
Pentium on a 486 as opposed to 486 on a 486 is minimal. The only things
that change when you switch target chips is the prolog/epilog and the
ordering of instructions. Generally the 486 and the P5 execute
instructions in the same ratios so there is no issues like xor ax,ax is
faster that mov ax,0 etc etc.

My best optimizing compiler I have (High C) even has a little tag at the
bottom of it's description for P5 optimizations, it says that in some
cases P5 optimizations outperform 486 optimizations on a 486! Strange.
Furthermore, unless GCC does something unusual P5 compiled code will run
on a 386, but there will be some performace penalties.

Jason


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In your email to me, Martin Schulze, you wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> debian-devel@lists.debian.org is back again.  At the moment it's still
> a poor setup.  Please report problems either to Mike Neuffer
> (mike@debian.org) or to me (joey@debian.org).
> 
> Thanks to Bruce who gave us the list of subscribers.
> 
> Please be aware that our listserver lists.debian.org might leave
> master.debian.org within the next days again.  Header lines again will
> change.

Who/why is moving it this time (the next few days)?

Tim

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From: "Brian C. White" <bcwhite@verisim.com>
> Shadow was supposed to be moved into
> unstable in the week preceeding the freeze of Rex.
> Since it _still_ hasn't happened, I can only conclude
> that it will take an indefinite amount of time to get it moved.

As VP engineering you have the authority to direct Guy to move it or to
get a good answer from him why it hasn't been moved.

As far as I can tell it has not been moved because nobody took the
initiative to do so.

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   Please unsubscribe quietly as the rest of us would like to use the 
list for the interchange of help and information. :)

   Thank you.

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Hi Tim!

> > debian-devel@lists.debian.org is back again.  At the moment it's still
> > a poor setup.  Please report problems either to Mike Neuffer
> > (mike@debian.org) or to me (joey@debian.org).
> > 
> > Thanks to Bruce who gave us the list of subscribers.
> > 
> > Please be aware that our listserver lists.debian.org might leave
> > master.debian.org within the next days again.  Header lines again will
> > change.
> 
> Who/why is moving it this time (the next few days)?

Why:
	Because delivering ~1000 debian-user mails and ~500 debian-private
	and debian-devel mails takes too much of cpu and network connectivity.
	Apart from that the mail services is much more stable if it is on
	a different machine and network than other services.  The whole Debian
	GNU/Linux project would be more stable if we distribute our services.

	This was the scenic in the past and hopefully will be in the future,
	too.  There are two candidates who are willing to take over hosting
	our mail server.

Who:
	This is a good question, perhaps Christoph Lameter, perhaps Pete
	Templin.

Regards

	Joey

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Tim Sailer writes:

> This isn't good. I think (from a quick look at it) tha samba is 
> reliant on shadow. Since I upgraded a box to the latest samba, passwords
> don't authenticate. I may have missed something tho...

Actually, the problems with the most recent samba are due to a dumb
mistake on my part.  When I added PAM support to samba, I forgot that
I had added four necessary lines to my own version of /etc/pam.conf a
while ago, but that these lines had not been added in the standard pam
distribution.

Adding the following four lines to /etc/pam.conf should solve the
problem:

  samba	auth	 required	/usr/lib/security/pam_unix_auth.so debug
  samba	account  required	/usr/lib/security/pam_unix_acct.so
  samba session	 required 	/usr/lib/security/pam_unix_session.so
  samba	password required 	/usr/lib/security/pam_unix_passwd.so

I'll be releasing a new version of libpam tonight that should fix the
problem.

Thanks, 
 - Klee

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> > Shadow was supposed to be moved into
> > unstable in the week preceeding the freeze of Rex.
> > Since it _still_ hasn't happened, I can only conclude
> > that it will take an indefinite amount of time to get it moved.
> 
> As VP engineering you have the authority to direct Guy to move it or to
> get a good answer from him why it hasn't been moved.

I know.  I have asked many times about this since I was first told
that it "had to be in Bo!".  My latest inquiry was sometime last week.

Forcing the issue won't help anything.  Even if we assume that the packages
are completely functional and the only reason they haven't been moved is
because of apathy, you have to consider the wisdom of moving such unsupported
packages into the distribution... especially those that could have as much
impact as shadow.

                                          Brian
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I've looked back at the debian-devel list archives and haven't found a
thread dealing with this.  Also the policy manual states the
requirement, but doesn't give any clear reasons why.

I'm wondering why the requirement to strip binaries/libraries?  Also
it is a rarity that anyone would link something statically.  Is there
any reason not to distribute static libs with debugging information
intact? (would make debugging things easier.  Under the current
situation if I need to debug a program based on some library in my
system I HAVE to go out and compile the source for myself.  (Unless of
course there is a separate debugging package for the lib which in most
cases there is not.)  Specifying debugging for static libs would solve
that problem.  Not stripping shared libs would make debugging binaries
linked with them much easier.

I'm NOT trying to start a flame war here.  I am curious why this
decision was made.  I'm sure there are good reasons, I would just
like to know what they are. :)

Thanks
Jim

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To: debian-user@lists.debian.org,
  nico@oshima.sonytel.be
Comment: MEMO 03/04/97 16:40:00


Sorry to take so long to get back to this.  Lots of stuff going on
lately.

The story so far is this:

-> use a utility from compaq to relocate the pci bios and boot using
   loadlin.  This doesn't work because this is a '94 vintage 486 with
   eisa bus.  The relocation utility reports that there isn't anything
   found to relocate.  The original assumption is that the prosigna vs
   is like the deskpro xl.  It is not.

-> I opened up the machine and found that it has a 53c710 scsi chip.
   Using the eisa config utility I found that the interrupt is 15 and
   i/o addresses are 8000-801f.

-> Somewhere there is a reference to alternate kernels to use with the
   boot/root disk.  I remember seeing it, but I can't find it again.
   What I recall is that the 53c710 driver is in "kernel3" which
   exists (somewhere??)?

Did I dream this?  Can anyone point me to it?  The resq disk is (as I
understand) an msdog disk.  It would be relatively easy to replace the
kernel and try again.  That is, if I can ever find where I read that
stuff.

BTW, I got a new cd and it will be debian 1.2.

jim

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Author:  nico@oshima.sonytel.be (SMTP.NICO) at ~AMSCCSSW
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>
> I am having trouble trying to install debian 1.1 on a compaq prosigna vs.
> This machine has an embedded scsi controller and the installation system
> does not detect it.  Are there some parameters I can give to lilo to make
> this work?  I have checked several sources and haven't found any references
> to this situation.
>
> tia
>
> jim
>

Hi,

I'm having the same problem with debian 1.2 (I think) on a compaq prosignia vs.
If you find a way to solve the problem, pleaaase let me now.  I tried compiling
a kernel ion another machine, with all network-adaptors included but that didn't

 help either.

Thanks in advance,

Nico.

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Andree Leidenfrost <leidenfrost@dkrz.de> writes:

> Besides, I think I read something about shadow becoming standard in 1.3.
> This raises the question whether there is something like a roadmap for
> the further development of Debian publically available... Just curious
> ;-)

of cource, look at the debian-devel List - I think that the shadow
support is now included in the standard packages.

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From: Christian Leutloff <leutloff@sundancer.oche.de>
Date: 04 Mar 1997 13:18:57 +0100
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Joey Hess <joey@kite.ml.org> writes:

> Christian Leutloff:
> > What about using the CLUT (Color LookUp Table)!? It's optimised for
> > Mac and Win PCs and provides 216 colors (RGB hex is combined from FF,
> > CC, 99, 66, 33, 0). It's the standard map for WWW grafics. You can see
> > an example gif at http://www.heise.de/ct/clut.gif.
> 
> Do you really want 216 colors to be gone as soon as you start up X? I don't.
> Some of us are only running in 256 color mode...

but what about using *only* these colors in the Debian Distribution!?
Is there a need for other colors (if we - me too - are using 256 color
mode)?? I think that all programs can be satiesfied with this.

Bye
  Christian


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From: sailer@sun10.sep.bnl.gov (Tim Sailer)
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Subject: Re: Holding Freeze for Shadow
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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 16:53:44 -0500 (EST)
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In-Reply-To: <E0w21ey-0004r6-00@sauron.fashion-tech.com> from "Klee Dienes" at Mar 4, 97 04:21:48 pm
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In your email to me, Klee Dienes, you wrote:
> 
> 
> Tim Sailer writes:
> 
> > This isn't good. I think (from a quick look at it) tha samba is 
> > reliant on shadow. Since I upgraded a box to the latest samba, passwords
> > don't authenticate. I may have missed something tho...
> 
> Actually, the problems with the most recent samba are due to a dumb
> mistake on my part.  When I added PAM support to samba, I forgot that
> I had added four necessary lines to my own version of /etc/pam.conf a
> while ago, but that these lines had not been added in the standard pam
> distribution.
> 
> Adding the following four lines to /etc/pam.conf should solve the
> problem:
> 
>   samba	auth	 required	/usr/lib/security/pam_unix_auth.so debug
>   samba	account  required	/usr/lib/security/pam_unix_acct.so
>   samba session	 required 	/usr/lib/security/pam_unix_session.so
>   samba	password required 	/usr/lib/security/pam_unix_passwd.so

It does. Thank you!

Tim

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