>There is no group "fax", and I do not intend to create one. "dialout" seems >quite appropriate to me. <surprised look> Really? It's on my sytem: [/etc/group ...] dialout::20:uucp,bcwhite fax::21:bcwhite voice::22: [...] I wouldn't have suggested it otherwise. Brian ( bcwhite@bnr.ca ) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they're not.