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Derivatives branding (WAS: Re: Meeting minutes for 2011-10-23 UTC (Inaugural meeting))

On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:05:07 +0200
Stefano Zacchiroli <zack@debian.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 12:22:04AM +1100, Karl Goetz wrote:
> > Hi all.
> > Quoth the meeting bot:
> > Minutes:
> > http://meetbot.debian.net/debian-derivatives/2011/debian-derivatives.2011-10-23-12.00.html

New subject, as this email is largely about a specific sub point.

> > I've also taken the liberty of updating the meeting page:
> > https://wiki.debian.org/Derivatives/Meetings/2011-10-23
> Thanks a lot for organizing the meeting and for this minutes. (I'm
> ashamed of admitting that I've misread the meeting timing; baffled by
> the 12 am/pm issue I thought it was 12 hours later... Sorry about
> that.)

No problem, we were aware in advance the timing wasn't great for you :)

> >  - try and organise someone to work on redoing debians branding
> >    infrastructure. This could probably be a good thing to discuss on
> >    this list on its own.
> Just to be sure we're on the same page, the way I read this is:
> standardize a way on which derivatives could advertise the fact they
> are based on Debian. That could be beneficial for them, in case their
> public is aware of what Debian is and can appreciate that heritage as
> a good sign; but it will obviously be beneficial for us as well, as
> it'll give more credit to the widespread reach of the work which is
> done in Debian in the first place.  Is that what you had in mind? 

That's a good thought but not what we discussed at the time.

What we were talking about in the meeting was how many places a
distribution has to modify branding strings and images for their use.
It was brought up by pabs' observation that a lot of the changes
derivatives have are purely cosmetic.

Rather then changing (for example) base-files, base-artwork and
desktop-artwork-<environment>, you have to modify huge numbers of
packages to change logos, desktops, and other things that could really
be consolidated. Example: Why should a derivative need to remove a
Debian logo from gnome, kde, base-files, synaptic/software sources, etc
when it could be included once in base-files (or a new
package base-branding, or whatever) which all other packages then use.
When looking at the list of packages which also say Debian as a string
(eg grub, web browsers, ...) the list grows again.

> I'd welcome work in that direction and I'll be happy to help
> (although I can't offer to take the lead).
> IIRC something similar has been proposed a long time ago by Anthony
> Towns when he was DPL, but never really completed. I'm not aware of
> any existing draft work in this direction either. It'd be wonderful to
> resurrect that initiative.

I just added it to the agenda for the next meeting. I was hoping to be
opening up for a new meeting soon, but since i've dropped the ball on
follow up messages the meeting might have to wait until early december
or january if we miss that.



Karl Goetz, (Kamping_Kaiser / VK7FOSS)
No, I won't join your social networking group

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