On Monday 23 May 2005 14:36, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> On 21-05-2005 18:20, Andreas Tille wrote:
> > On Fri, 20 May 2005, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> >> When a CDD includes only postfix and not 5-10 alternative MTAs, then
> >> it is removing the choice of MTA When a CDD includes KDE and not other
> >> desktop frameworks then it is also removing choice.
> >
> > If you ask me (personally!) I would love if someone would remove the
> > choice of an apropriate MTA from my shoulders. I hate to have the
> > choice
>
> So would I. I think all of us CDD-lovers love the lack of specific
> choices. That is exactly what I am talking about: CDDs _do_ take away
> choices originally provided by Debian (and yes, that is good).
Take Skolelinux, unless I'm totally mistaken the the Skolelinux package
archive contains all of woody (+some extra's that didn't make it into woody
for whatever reason),
For space reasons (obviously) the 1 Skolelinux CD only contains those parts
we use (by default)
-> That's not "taking away choices",
-> It is "taking away the _necessity_ to choose", i.e. the user only has to
bother making(/secondguessing) a choice when he absolutely wants to
=> that's hiding choices (behind sensible defaults), not removing them:
the admin can easily second-guess/remake any choice the CDD makes (it'll
diminish the amount of maintenance he get's for free from the CDD off
course)
=> from a pr perspective that's a _completely_ different ball-game:
one's making the thing less flexible, the other is making it so the
flexibility and multitude of choices doesn't get in the way of those not
needing it (but is still there for those that do)
> What choices a CDD should or should not remove from the local admin is
> IMHO not for us to define as developers of a _common_ framework for CDDs.
hear, hear! (well s/remove/hide/)
> Your vision of CDDs seems to be to support "production environments" -
> school, medical, music, law. I just feel it wrong of us to constrain the
> CDD framework to whatever we feel is sane: Someone might consider it
> relevant to do a "gnome" CDD, with everything pure GNOME and explicitly
> avoiding "pollution" from different suites. And similar with GNUstep or
> KDE...
IMO any of those production environments are a valid target group, so are
pure Gnome/KDE/Whatever users, and lot's of other things (e.g. debian-jr
can hardly be said to target a production environment)
--
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