Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> writes: > Firstly, I should say that I think the CLA is utterly ridiculous. > I want to be completely clear that like almost everyone else in this > conversation, I would certainly not sign it. It's divisive, and has already managed to fragment the community into two camps. As Kay said (in google+, alas): https://plus.google.com/u/0/+KaySievers/posts/C3chC26khpq The development of systemd was, at least in part, due to the CLA. The result was that the bulk of ongoing init system work moved away from upstart and towards systemd. Free software developers gain value in proportion to the number of people sharing and using their code. Failing to enter into a CLA limits the potential market for contributions. I feel that having the Debian community endorse software where a CLA is involved will tacitly encourage developers to enter into those agreements so that their work can be published as widely as possible. Personally, I would like us to take a principled stand against corporate-sponsored CLA-restricted software projects as I feel they do not follow the spirit of the DFSG, even as they follow the letter. They remind me too strongly of Animal Farm. > Like Andi, I think the risk to our autonomy from upstream is much > lower in the case of upstart than systemd. Certainly the fraction of Debian influence in upstart would be dramatically larger than our influence could be in systemd as so many fewer people outside of Debian are working on upstart than systemd. A significant benefit of systemd is precisely that a lot of other people are working on it, and appear willing to continue working on it. The best way to make Debian gain relevance and importance there will be to increase the number of Debian developers actively participating in improving it. If autonomy from other distributions was an explicit Debian goal, then we'd presumably be spending a lot more time cleaning up the Hurd instead of collaborating with others on Linux. -- keith.packard@intel.com
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