Bug#727708: systemd jessie -> jessie+1 upgrade problems

[Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>]

On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 08:53:04AM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote:
> Adrian, I'm frustrated when I read your message because you put words in
> my mouth that I did not speak.

Hi Sam,

> I never said that Debian should allow systemd to dictate policy for
> multiple distributions nor did I say that Debian should allow one
> upstream systemd maintainer to dictate decisions for Debian.

I assume you are referring to
  That point you bring up is semi-orthogonal to the upgrade decision,
  but it also brings up two important points that have to be considered:

The second line was not intended to imply that you said that, just very 
poorly worded by me.

The second line might have been better worded like
  Possible problems I see when following this "we also need to be 
  community players":

> I spoke of community both in terms of a systemd community and in terms
> of  a community of Linux distributions.

The problematic parts are where Debian differs from other distributions.

E.g. Debian has been the only big Linux distribution that did support 
non-Linux kernels. If Debian wants to be closely aligned to the 
consensus among other distributions it might have to drop non-Linux 
kernels, and switching to systemd basically enforces that.

> You may believe that some of these boil down to the same thing.  I
> request that you distinguish what you believe is a conclusion from
> things I've said from the things I actually say.

See above regarding my poor wording.

> Thanks,
> 
> --Sam

cu
Adrian

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