Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> (2025-05-15):
> On Thu, May 15, 2025 at 05:08:23AM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> >Having my eyes on *.list.gz (list of deb/udeb packages included into
> >installation images) during successive builds made me realize we have
> >a number of unused udeb packages getting included. In other words, we
> >could save some space!
> >
> >I'm not trying to build a list right now (still lots to do before the
> >release), but I like the idea of having some more wiggle room and/or
> >smaller images in the future.
> >
> >Obvious candidates:
> > - libgtk-3-0-udeb_3.24.49-3_amd64.udeb (2.5M)
> > - libgtk-4-1-udeb_4.18.5+ds-1_amd64.udeb (2.7M)
>
> ACK, we can drop those easily if you like.
Other candidates include:
- libgtk2.0-0-udeb_2.24.33-7_amd64.udeb (1.7M) and other things
needed to build the graphical installer: everything should be
installed within the initrd.gz, so that X can start, along with the
GTK+ debconf frontend.
And also fonts, which I think are used at build-time, and not loaded
at runtime. This is another reason I'm interested in making some room
in the first place, having proper support for Japanese could mean
using a different font, which would be quite heavier on everyone if it
were included in the initrd.gz. Maybe we could have something like:
- shipping it compressed in the initrd and uncompress it on the fly
depending on the selected language;
- loading it on the fly if it's not needed in the very few first
screens.
(This is partial braindump to give some context, not an actual
concrete plan.)
Regarding fonts udebs in the netinst list (assuming there's indeed not
loading at runtime), not including them would save:
1.3M fonts-android-udeb_1%3a8.1.0r7-1~1.gbp36536b_all.udeb
68K fonts-dejavu-mono-udeb_2.37-8_all.udeb
224K fonts-dejavu-udeb_2.37-8_all.udeb
56K fonts-farsiweb-udeb_0.4.dfsg-13_all.udeb
512K fonts-freefont-udeb_20211204+svn4273-2_all.udeb
44K fonts-knda-udeb_1.3-7_all.udeb
88K fonts-khmeros-udeb_5.0-9_all.udeb
48K fonts-lao-udeb_0.0.20060226-10_all.udeb
16K fonts-lohit-guru-udeb_2.91.2-3_all.udeb
104K fonts-telu-udeb_2.5.5-2_all.udeb
144K fonts-noto-hinted-udeb_20201225-2_all.udeb
10M fonts-noto-unhinted-udeb_20201225-2_all.udeb
24K fonts-taml-udeb_1.2.2-6_all.udeb
128K fonts-sil-abyssinica-udeb_2.201-1_all.udeb
100K fonts-sil-padauk-udeb_5.001-1_all.udeb
128K fonts-sil-scheherazade-udeb_2.100-2.1_all.udeb
132K fonts-mlym-udeb_7.0.2-1_all.udeb
320K fonts-tibetan-machine-udeb_1.901b-6_all.udeb
72K fonts-thai-tlwg-udeb_1%3a0.7.3-1_all.udeb
168K fonts-ukij-uyghur-udeb_20110217-4_all.udeb
14M total
so we would still have a net win on the size front if we would clean
those up and add the big font file (instead), assuming we can perform
runtime loading/switching (second option in the non-plan above).
I'm attaching a list of udebs to give some idea what that looks like,
sorting them by size (amd64). And I'm listing below everything above
1 MB (you'll recognize a number of them):
972K espeak-data-udeb_1.48.15+dfsg-3+b2_amd64.udeb
1012K isc-dhcp-client-udeb_4.4.3-P1-7_amd64.udeb
1.3M fonts-android-udeb_1%3a8.1.0r7-1~1.gbp36536b_all.udeb
1.4M libc6-udeb_2.41-7_amd64.udeb
1.7M libgtk2.0-0-udeb_2.24.33-7_amd64.udeb
2.0M libcrypto3-udeb_3.5.0-1_amd64.udeb
2.5M libgtk-3-0-udeb_3.24.49-3_amd64.udeb
2.7M libgtk-4-1-udeb_4.18.5+ds-1_amd64.udeb
8.3M espeak-ng-data-udeb_1.52.0+dfsg-5_amd64.udeb
10M fonts-noto-unhinted-udeb_20201225-2_all.udeb
I'm not asking for any immediate action, this is more to log what's on
my mind. Of course I should run some tests, and see what happens. It's
likely going to be done when I look into the Japanese support thing…
Cheers,
--
Cyril Brulebois (kibi@debian.org) <https://debamax.com/>
D-I release manager -- Release team member -- Freelance Consultant
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