Re: PHP 7.2 support in backports
Hey,
dear Ondrej, pretty please fix my name in your addressbook, it doesn't
match reality anymore since a few years now.
Right, I can see why. The core of that message is still part of our
rules. I would assume php 7.2 would get removed from buster and only
7.3 shipped? So it would mean only the php7.3 one would make sense to
get into stretch-backports.
But as you say (and I also did to anyone asking): The packages on your
own site are as official as it can get anyways, because you are the
person maintaining the packages within Debian, and you can offer very
much more on your infrastructure than what you can offer within Debian.
You even offer php5.6 in there for people who weren't able to switch
yet.
So from the backports team point of view, your site is for sure the far
better place because it can offer more than what would be possible
through the backports service. We just need to get the information out
properly that it's in no way less official than when it would be within
the backports archive. You are the very person who does the packages
for the regular Debian pool. So why are people so reluctant to use your
site, I don't get that. :)
Frankly spoken, it puzzled me a bit that you didn't right out mention
your site in that bugreport. That would be the ideal place to get that
information out.
All the best to you and your effort! I'm still astonished by all the
energy you are able to put into that.
Enjoy,
Rhonda
* Ondřej Surý <ondrej@sury.org> [2018-10-09 14:22:51 CEST]:
> Hi Rhonda,
>
> this was this thread: https://lists.debian.org/debian-backports/2013/12/msg00057.html
>
> It left me with bitter feeling, but well, and after re-reading parts of the thread I was a guilty party back then for escalating the thing.
>
> That said - PHP 7.0 will be supported in Debian stable as the previous versions of PHP have been - security patches will be backported to Debian stable. This has been always the case with Debian.
>
> Backporting just src:php7.3 (really it’s PHP 7.3) would never be enough. People would immediately require redis, memcached, apcu extensions at least, meaning that src:php-defaults would need to be tweaked and have it uploaded to stretch-backports, then php-<foo> packages would have to be backported, …
>
> Frankly, the infrastructure I do have in place for Debian-PPA-like archives just fine - I can probably get ‘php.debian.net’ address to make it more “official”, but honestly I will have to take care of PHP 7.0 security updates and having one more place to download just one PHP versions just adds more burden on my shoulders.
>
> Cheers,
> Ondrej
> --
> Ondřej Surý
> ondrej@sury.org
>
>
>
> > On 9 Oct 2018, at 14:01, Rhonda D'Vine <rhonda@deb.at> wrote:
> >
> > Hey,
> >
> > * Herman van Rink <rink@initfour.nl> [2018-10-09 13:33:52 CEST]:
> >> As php.net is indicating that security support for php 7.0 will end on 3
> >> Dec I'm wondering what Debian stable users should do.
> >> More and more projects are also adding dependencies on >= php7.1.
> >>
> >> Adding php7.2 packages to backports seems like a good solution.
> >>
> >> I found bug #893700 [1] requesting just that with a comment from Ondřej Surý offering to upload.
> >>
> >> The only obstacle seems to be approval from the backports team ... is there an argument against adding it?
> >>
> >> [1] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=893700
> >
> > I'm a bit puzzled about the "not going ask them again" part in there,
> > because I don't remember anything about that. I've tried to dig around
> > and found something about incompatibilities between php5.3 and php5.4 in
> > 2012, but that was specific to that.
> >
> > Given that Ondrej is since a fair amount of time already maintaining
> > all the various php versions on https://deb.sury.org/ the issue is
> > *hugely* different to what we faced back then. I'm in awe of the effort
> > he puts into that and wouldn't see any reason why the php7.2 package
> > shouldn't be able to get in. I take it that the backport is based on
> > the version in testing, and that's the main requirement we have here.
> >
> > Best luck, and big respect for all the work that Ondrej puts into the
> > packages.
> >
> > Enjoy,
> > Rhonda
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