Re: Upcoming Qt switch to OpenGL ES on arm64
On Tuesday 27 November 2018 02:04:33 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 6:47 AM Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
wrote:
> > On Monday 26 November 2018 22:04:04 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
wrote:
> > > On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 12:18 AM Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez
> > > Meyer
> > >
> > > <perezmeyer@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > So: what's the best outcome for our *current* users? Again, pick
> > > > only one.
> > >
> > > here's a perspective that may not have been considered: how much
> > > influence and effect on purchasing decisions would the choice made
> > > have?
> > >
> > > we know that proprietary embedded GPUs and associated proprietary
> > > software are not just unethical, and cause huge problems, they
> > > also hurt company profits and cause increases in support costs.
> >
> > If they choose to support it, I've found most are in it for the
> > initial sale, and its up to you to make it do useful work. This
> > seems to be the case with the rock64's, Odroids and such, very close
> > to zero support,
>
> the odroids, i know they're a very small team in korea: you cannot
> expect "support". the contract: you bought the hardware, therefore
> you know what you're doing.
>
> rock64, that's TL Lim's baby: he's doing a hell of a lot of work
> behind the scenes to get GPL compliance from Allwinner and much more.
> TL's team do the best they can by providing forums for people to use
> and to support each other.
>
> ultimately, though, if you've the money (if you place an order for
> 10k units for example), that will get their immediate attention. if
> not... then, well, the reality is: every "support" call or email or
> forum message answered is profit lost.
>
> that's just how it is. you want better, be prepared to pay the
> money.
>
> > Pi's are buckets better,
>
> better.... because the GPU is proprietary and Broadcom should be
> financially supported and we should all buy their products, thus
> keeping them in business and sustaining and endorsing Broadcom's
> unethical practices?
>
I'm quite familiar with broadcoms lack of support, its excrementy at
best. I bought a lappy, $1300, many years ago now, advertised as having
a builtin radio. Came with xp installed, but that got wiped in favor of
Mandrake when I found that not even the windows supplied driver could
make that bcm4318 radio work. Now with Mate 17 on it, that radio still
doesn't work.
> and, because they are "better", debian should also prioritise
> supporting Broadcom's unethical practices by making a
> mutually-exclusive decision that chops off alternatives that *are*
> libre?
Not in that light, but would sinking the pi foundation make us look any
better? I think not. But I'm not trying to white wash them either. IP
theft is the mode of the times it seems. But,if you want a high
performance gpio that can run a short spi bus at 50 megabaud, where else
are you going to get it besides broadcom? TANSTAAFL is an unbreakable
law, just like C speed.
> ... you see how that works? the wrong decision here, debian gets to
> completely destroy what is already a fragile ecosystem, just for
> "convenience".
There is also TANSTAAFL. But you will do as pure as you can and according
to the debian bylaws, and I admire that greatly, its a very large part
of why I'm here. But you did ask the question, and I gave you 2 cents
worth of the real world where we need to just get the job done to the
best of the hardware's ability. And "we" are not doing a very good job
of exploiting the hardware we can buy today.
But I've said my piece, so won't hassle you about it anymore in this
thread. I might still complain even, but thats how it is. And its not
your fault so please don't take it personal, its certainly not intended
to be.
Take care and stay well, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton.
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