Re: Concerns about AMD64 port
On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 12:27, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> John Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org> writes:
>
> > On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 06:46:12PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> > > > Plus, Goswin, in the long-run *multiarch* is the path of wasted time.
> > > > If we are not going to want to waste our time, let us do a pure 64-bit
> > > > userland, since eventually people will go there anyway, and multiarch
> > > > will be deprecated on this platform.
> > >
> > > It will be years until 32 bit support will not be needed anymore. A
> > > lot of commercial or binary-only programs will allways need it.
> >
> > Funny, I've been running my Alpha since 1997 with no need for 32-bit
> > support.
>
> Never wanted/used Netscape?
Not is a loooooong time. Why use it, when Mozilla has been
functional since pre-1.0?
> > > There is more than Debian out there, we haven't yet taken over the
> > > world. It will be a long time till a substancial part of non-free and
> > > contrib will be ported to amd64. And it will be far longer until
> > > people stop using the i386 software they bought.
> >
> > That is possibly true (you don't really know).
> >
> > But what you are forgetting is that this is a Unix*. The traditional
> > way of installing software on Unix is from source. That is precisely
> > because of the many platforms, and there is no problem with supporting a
> > Unix on AMD64.
>
> Give me the source to Civilization III and I'm happy. Thats the one
> game I bought for linux and I want to keep playing it from time to
> time.
>
> > > When people have the choice of installing debian and play
> > > quake/doom/descent/civilization or install debian, setup a chroot
> > > manually and play quake/doom/descent/civilization after hours of
> > > fiddling around I think I know what they will choose.
> >
> > That's wrong. It takes 10 minutes of fiddling. debootstrap, then copy
> > your /etc/resolv.conf, mount your proc, and your chroot is ready.
> >
> > Why do you support providing no 64-bit support for people that want to
> > use *what's in Debian* in favor of adding 10 minutes to the life of
> > people that want to use what's not?
> >
> > -- John
>
> Because I'm one of them.
>
> Apart from civ III there are also some windows codecs for mplayer and
> wine I want to keep using.
But if setting up a chroot takes 10 minutes, as John alleges?
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