i accidently found them here http://ftp.x86-64.org/documentation_folder/build Ian -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS dpu s--: a-- C++++ UL++ P+++ L+++ E--- W-- N+ o K w--- O M-- V-- PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP+ t+++ 5++ X++ R+++ !tv b DI D---- G++ e+ h++ r++ y+++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ ----- Message of the Hour ------ Moooo :-)