i just did a potato apt-get update, upgrade and when it came to updating xsm it complained about /etc/X11/xsm/system.xsm being a circular link (ie to /etc/X11/xsm/system.xsm) Originally, I had /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xsm/system.xsm as a symbolic link to /etc/X11/xsm/system.xsm but I cannot see how this would affect the circular linking ..... *wave* -- Jean-Paul Blaquiere japester@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au gotta www.wibble.org again