Samuel Thibault <sthibault@debian.org> (2014-12-01): > Cyril Brulebois, le Mon 01 Dec 2014 10:39:17 +0100, a écrit : > > With the tasksel/3.25 upload and the default switch back to gnome, it > > looked to me that the accessibility side was taken care of. > > What do you mean by "taken care of"? > > If you mean fixing them, the few accessibility issues that gnome 3.14 > aren't easy to fix, and thus most probably won't be fixed for Jessie. I didn't see specific bug numbers by the way, but I rather meant what follows: > If you mean taking accessibility into account when chosing the default > desktop, well I thought it was done according to the version of the > chart at the time: > https://wiki.debian.org/DebianDesktop/Requalification/Jessie?action=recall&rev=28 > which clearly says that MATE is the best choice for accessibility, by a > short preference over gnome, and that gnome was preferred over MATE for > some other reason. Joey? > > Note that I'm not saying gnome is very bad for accessibility: as the > chart says it's fine enough. But for the best accessible usability, > MATE is preferrable, thus the idea of tuning the default for the case of > braille & speech. I understand that now, but not the reason for the delay. > Also note that it doesn't mean that accessibility shouldn't be taken > into account for the default desktop. There is still the common case of > a computer installed before knowing that a disabled person will want to > use it. > > > Since the wiki page seems to have been updated to include results from > > [1], > > A long time ago, yes. > > > and since [1] didn't exactly call for mate as the default desktop, > > ?? > > “MATE, not in this benchmarking, is the best solution.” > > “I'm sure MATE is the ideal solution now, given it's accessible for a > lot of disabilities and also for sight people” > > It seemed clear to me, except that since at the time the poll was done > MATE was actually not among the choices in the evaluation chart (and not > even a task), Jean-Philippe made it a special case. !! “[…] I think Debian won't choose it. So, alternatively, I suggest gnome […]” which seems to enact that gnome is fine enough. > > I'm still surprised this topic is only being brought up now. There > > were almost 2-3 months to do so. > > Well, I don't remember an announcement about it. I didn't know that > the choice had been actually really settled, particularly since there > were edits on the wiki page since them. I was however seeing the > distribution getting more and more frozen, and thus the current "gnome > default" getting more and more settled. Well, you could have asked; I never quite doubted we would be switching back to gnome; and that having no further input we would stick to it; and that part of the reason for that was accessibility. > > 1. https://lists.debian.org/debian-accessibility/2014/09/msg00008.html > > > > (That also says compiz works inside MATE, but I only see compiz in > > oldstable, so…) > > Indeed, since we didn't manage to package compiz in time for Jessie, > AIUI MATE doesn't have a magnifier. AIUI we still prefer MATE for the > braille case at least. Jean-Philippe ? Mraw, KiBi.
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