Re: poll: DebConf25 COVID handling debrief meeting date+time
Hi Holger,
Le 2025-09-17 18:08, Holger Levsen a écrit :
do you think it's a good idea to put the fox in charge of designing the
henhouse?
and do you think hens will be happy to discuss?
The way you are framing this makes it sound like you believe that I have
some evil agenda, and you share this belief like it is a fact. From my
point of view this belief is irrational, and so far you didn't do much
to remove doubts e.g. by discussing with me. This fallacy you are
committing is known as an "appeal to motive", which can be considered a
kind of ad hominem fallacy.
I will grant you however that to some my position doing this work may
have an appearance of partiality or prejudice, and I know that
appearances matter a lot for that kind of work. In an ideal world with
an infinite number of sound volunteers that would be available and
willing to perform this work, I would have left this position to someone
else for this reason alone. But here nobody else was ready to do this
work, and on the other hand I do not have strong personal ties with any
team member so I think I can still do the job reasonably adequately and
achieve relevant and useful results for the community.
Le 2025-09-17 16:23, Holger Levsen a écrit :
if I understood you correctly you believe covid is over and not worse
than the flu, or some such (*), thus I'm lost at words at you pushing
this now.
I thought I had already stated my views about this [1] but maybe that
was not clear enough or you missed that message, so here we go again:
- covid is not over, like aids is not over, like many other diseases are
not over and some that used to be "under control" are spreading again
due to [bad reasons]
- the flu is a neverending calamity that has historically killed way
more people than covid-19, and has recently started again to be more
deadly than covid in some areas
- I'm not going to make a general statement that one is worse (or not
worse) than the other because that would depend on too many factors
including how you define "worse", both diseases are evolving fast in
unpredictable ways, and new facts are still being discovered about them;
I agree that early sars-cov-2 strains were much more dangerous than
common influenza strains, but since then the threat has evolved and the
difference is not so marked anymore.
Let me add this: in France nowadays, wearing a surgical (or other) face
mask in or around a protest is now a (legally dubious) motive for a
night or two in jail (aka police custody) and a hefty fine (also, street
medics approaching protests are now systematically targeted, searched
and their equipment illegally confiscated and destroyed by the cops).
I'm absolutely against these laws and law enforcement policies.
The forthcoming debrief is not to "push" anything else than to (try to)
agree on facts and what was adequately and not so adequately handled
before and during the last DebConf. Only after that will the work shift
to drafting a new policy, and my intent is to call for public review and
comments at some point. You still have a few weeks until then, but as
others wrote in this thread we have to move forward now if we want to
have a policy that is finalized (or mostly so) by the time dc26
registration opens.
By the way so far we are only 2 on the date/time poll. Could more people
especially those with limited availability or in non-EU timezones please
participate to the poll?
Cheers,
[1]: https://lists.debian.org/debconf-discuss/2025/07/msg00341.html
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Julien Plissonneau Duquène
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