Re: [Debconf-team] DC12 Travel Bursaries ("Herb Team"): Ping? Discussion?
Hoy Giacomo,
Le mardi, 14 mai 2013 10.14:12, Giacomo Catenazzi a écrit :
> On 14.05.2013 08:58, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
> > As a final point, I disagree with cate's proposal to forbid people
> > requesting travel sponsorship from joining the herb@ team: people asking
> > for sponsorship _are_ a (significant) part of the Debian community and I
> > think we would loose some precious diversity by taking them off them the
> > team. Then, herb@ team members requesting sponsorship must obviously
> > stay off any decisions related to them.
>
> Last year I noticed some "uneasiness" discussing about some herb people
> travel sponsorship. Considering the budget constrains, I worry about the
> difficulties if the sponsor line is near such people.
Uneasiness is unavoidable in this case, sure.
> Consider also that some people complained about fairness of our
> sponsorship (It was mostly about families and children, which BTW we did
> not sponsor, but attendees don't know it). So I think transparency is
> needed, to avoid useless discussions.
I definitely agree. I think the solution to this is made of two main aspects:
a) proactive transparency of guidelines and processes from herb@
b) strong delegation of the task, decisions and responsibility to herb@, as
a team.
> About losing diversity: it could be a problem, OTOH usually herb people
> are "senior" developers, who possibly asked travel sponsorship on
> previous DebConf, so they know the needs of travel sponsorship people.
> Additionally a "requirement" of herb was to have many "senior" people,
> aka people who know deeply Debian, personally know many DDs and teams.
Sure. Senior developers happen to request sponsorship though; and I think the
merit of having these "senior" developers in herb@ is bigger than the eventual
bias introduced by them being requesting sponsorship.
> The problem is not only to be fair, but to "convince" people that we
> acted fair.
Sure. I only don't think that taking people requesting travel sponsorship off
the team brings any convincing factor. Of course it wouldn't be acceptable to
have a herb@ team made of only travel-sponsored people granting sponsorship to
them only.
Cheers,
OdyX
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