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Re: [Debconf-team] DC12 Travel Bursaries ("Herb Team"): Ping? Discussion?



Hoy Giacomo,

Le mardi, 14 mai 2013 10.14:12, Giacomo Catenazzi a écrit :
> On 14.05.2013 08:58, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
> > As a final point, I disagree with cate's proposal to forbid people
> > requesting travel sponsorship from joining the herb@ team: people asking
> > for sponsorship _are_ a (significant) part of the Debian community and I
> > think we would loose some precious diversity by taking them off them the
> > team. Then, herb@ team members requesting sponsorship must obviously
> > stay off any decisions related to them.
> 
> Last year I noticed some "uneasiness" discussing about some herb people
> travel sponsorship. Considering the budget constrains, I worry about the
> difficulties if the sponsor line is near such people.

Uneasiness is unavoidable in this case, sure.

> Consider also that some people complained about fairness of our
> sponsorship (It was mostly about families and children, which BTW we did
> not sponsor, but attendees don't know it). So I think transparency is
> needed, to avoid useless discussions.

I definitely agree. I think the solution to this is made of two main aspects:
a) proactive transparency of guidelines and processes from herb@
b) strong delegation of the task, decisions and responsibility to herb@, as
   a team.

> About losing diversity: it could be a problem, OTOH usually herb people
> are "senior" developers, who possibly asked travel sponsorship on
> previous DebConf, so they know the needs of travel sponsorship people.
> Additionally a "requirement" of herb was to have many "senior" people,
> aka people who know deeply Debian, personally know many DDs and teams.

Sure. Senior developers happen to request sponsorship though; and I think the 
merit of having these "senior" developers in herb@ is bigger than the eventual 
bias introduced by them being requesting sponsorship.

> The problem is not only to be fair, but to "convince" people that we
> acted fair.

Sure. I only don't think that taking people requesting travel sponsorship off 
the team brings any convincing factor. Of course it wouldn't be acceptable to 
have a herb@ team made of only travel-sponsored people granting sponsorship to 
them only.

Cheers,

OdyX

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