On Dienstag, 6. Juli 2010, Christian PERRIER wrote: > Given the current budget considerations and after reading Zack's mail > which well summarizes my own views on how seriously the money flow > should be taken, I would suggest *not* sponsoring the daytrip at all. > And certainly not the baseball game, except maybe for people for > really can't afford it. be aware, people might yell at you for saying so. frankly speaking, I'm utterly disgusted by yesterdays meeting. spending 70% of the time of the meeting discussing tshirts, yelling about debconf having to sponsor a baseball game, while still letting people in the B queue hanging regarding their sponsorship. funding the baseball game and or the subway tickets for the day trip will cause one eager person working on debian to stay at home. well done. also i dont get, why neither zacks mail was discussed on the list nor in the meeting. instead now the idea is to ask for 6.5k instead of the offered 20k. why? WHY? also, why let queue B wait even longer? i also think its stupid to shrink the opening hours of the venue to save a few hundred bucks. ask for 7k from debian (or whatever is needed) and we'll have a much more relaxed conference. then, this voting. be it voting about the day trip or meeting time. using doodle to find a meeting time technically works well, but again, working to get a rough consensus here works better i believe. if we vote for a meeting time, NYC localtime will clearly win. this voting yesterday about the daytrip was a waste of time, when 20 people came together to work on making this conference happen. listening to arguments and evaluating their pros and cons is what gets the best result. voting lets the idiotic majority win. (the majority will be idiotic, if arguments are not brought up or listened too.) organizing a debian conference with a budget of 250k doesnt work (well), if experienced people are not heard, which is what you get if you dont communicate properly with each other. which is exactly what has been happening. btw, I was also quite disgusted about the dc11 decission meeting. not about the result, but the way the decission was "achieved". i never got around to write this down in proper words, and I wont now, but yesterdays failure to organize this conference together pretty much reminded me of that day. p.s: debian day status? p.p.s.: (even thinking about) counting the votes with devotee is pathetic. sorry, but I had to say this.
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