Re: Cinnamon environment now available in testing
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On 09/05/2014 at 07:26 AM, The Wanderer wrote:
> On 09/05/2014 at 04:57 AM, Josselin Mouette wrote:
>
>> Noel Torres wrote:
>
>>> So we are clearly failing to follow the least surprise (for
>>> the user) path.
>>>
>>> Should not logind depend on systemd-shim | systemd-sysv
>>> instead?
>
>> No. Systemd is the default init system. The default dependencies
>> should reflect that.
>
> Is there any clear consensus on what it means to be the "default"
> in this context?
>
> There are multiple possible meanings, and I think some of the
> disputes which have arisen may be rooted at least partly in
> disagreement about which of those meanings applies.
>
> One possible meaning would be "the init system which will be
> installed as active by the default debian-installer, unless the
> user explicitly selects otherwise". By itself, that would not mean
> that package dependencies should necessarily prefer systemd over
> any other init system, though there might be reasons in some cases
> for doing them differently anyway - such as, in the case at hand,
> avoiding causing people to switch from one init system to the
> other without realizing what they're doing or how to avoid doing
> it.
I attached this "such as" section to the wrong paragraph, in editing
before send; it belongs on the other given possible meaning, below. My
apologies for any confusion this may cause.
> Another possible meaning would be "the init system which is
> recommended to be used unless there is active reason to do
> otherwise", which is a stronger statement. That would indeed more
> support the idea that package dependencies should prefer systemd
> over other init systems, though again, there might be reasons in
> any given case for doing them differently.
>
> There may well be other potential meanings - I think I've run
> across at least one more in the past - but that should serve as
> examples, at least.
>
> Would it be worth clarifying what the participants in this
> discussion (and possibly similar ones) understand "default" as
> meaning in the context of "default init system for jessie", and
> possibly clarifying that more officially on a broader scale for
> future reference?
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The Wanderer
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