Re: how many users is enough?
Le Jeu 29 novembre 2012 22:56, Slavko a écrit :
> DÅ?a Wed, 28 Nov 2012 17:35:07 +0000 Jon Dowland <firstname.lastname@example.org>
>> Slavko phrased it as 'Ubuntu leaves 93 % of packages untouched', which
>> does not imply that packages only existing in Ubuntu and not Debian are
>> considered in that 7%.
> I want no flame, i want point that compare the Ubuntu and Debian (in
> mean of contribution and packaging) has different base only.
>>> b. Some small percentage of Debian packages need to be "tweaked" to
>>> accommodate minor differences between the Ubuntu and Debian
>> So 7% of packages are tweaked, but that says nothing about how big
>> the tweaks are, which was my point.
> I did search and i found the source, here it is:
> The numbers are 2 years old, and can be different now. But, IMO, the
> exact numbers are not fundamental here.
>>> Now where the number of users/contributors might really come into
>>> play is when it comes to maintaining/developing those aspects of Debian
>>> and Ubuntu that are unique to the respective distros (e.g., their
>>> installers and package repositories).
>> One of the most important contributions one can make to Debian is to
>> find, diagnose, test and fix bugs. They can exist in any package in the
>> repository, not just those that are OS-specific, or particularly heavily
>> customized in each OS - and how well that process works is directly
>> impacted by the number of users.
> You are right, of course, bug hunting is simplest contribution. A lot
> of people think, that for contribution they must know C, C++ or similar.
> But testing & bugreporting can be done by anyone (only English is
> needed). But, it can be sometime terrible. I have one package in mind - the
> lightdm and its autologin feature - communication with maintainer was
> terrible and caused, that i will don't fill bug for this package in
I remember to have used bugreport sometimes (2, IIRC, with identified
solutions). But I do not remember having any responses :)
I wonder if it is possible to access a true bug tracker, which can allow
> And finally, there is this user mail list, where can be contribution
> done too - by helping to others :-)
> This last point of contribution is essential in Ubuntu/Debian
> comparing. The Ubuntu users seems to be more visible by amount of their
> forums, mail lists, articles, etc. The Ubuntu's howtos and articles helps
> are mostly useful for Debian too.
I think it depends on the problem you have. Usually, I am navigating
between 2-3 distro's resources depending on the difficulty of the
problem/question I have:
_ Ubuntu for common problems with easy solutions
_ Arch & gentoo for problems related to deep tinkering and rarely used
softwares/configurations, like tiling window managers or configuring the
computer to make TTY1 behaving as a light display manager.
> But i latest time i read something about
> commercialization of the Ubuntu (if i proper remmeber, Cannonical tell
> something about new OS, but Linux based), i am not sure how this Ubuntu's
> users contribution will be in future and who will be profit from it.
I think there is no problems if they make another OS commercialized.
Sounds like (at least, they claim that) they have problems with making
money with their actual and their tries to insert money-generating
features in it does not sounds so popular.
Maybe they should follow the red-hat's way, but for "basic" users instead