Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...
Sorry, list - sent to me privately again, and messing up my email client!
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Subject: Re: Kde 3.5 ...
Date: Friday 07 May 2010
From: Lisi <firstname.lastname@example.org>
To: Dotan Cohen <email@example.com>
On Friday 07 May 2010 17:17:52 you wrote:
> On 7 May 2010 11:56, Lisi <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> > On Thursday 06 May 2010 18:22:18 you wrote:
> >> >> You still have gnustep, xfce, lxde, no using any or simply never
> >> >> upgrade.
> >> >
> >> > I have looked at all those, in addition to KDE 4 and Gnome. None
> >> > appeals to me. Each has something that I strongly dislike or does not
> >> > have something that I like and use a lot.
> >> Please tell me what KDE 4.4 is missing, or what it has that you
> >> dislike. I can help address those issues.
> > I doubt it, because I think that the problem is the basic philosophy.
> > They have sacrificed funtionality in favour of glitz.
> > E.g.
> > 1. You cannot turn off all those horrible, and to me actually physically
> > painful (I have problems with my eyes) "special effects" _before_ being
> > subjected to them. (All that horrible wobbly, wavy, shimmery, spinning
> > transparent glitz.)
> That boils down to "it's on by default". Just go turn them off.
But I have to _look_ at them to turn them off. In KDE 3 I do not. I can turn
them off without ever having to see them.
> the defaults do not have wobbly windows, wavy effects, or anything
> shimmering. Nothing spins either, but the Alt-tab dialogue does slide.
> There is plenty of transparency, though, and I hate that too. So I
> turn it off.
> My mother suffers from what she calls "vertigo" and the effects do not
> upset her. Nor do they upset the autistics that I volunteer with. They
> are merely an annoyance to those annoyed by them, nothing wild.
Bully for your mother and your autistics. They make me feel sick and trigger
a bad headache.
> > 2. ctrl+tab does not move to the next window.
> Do you mean between tabs? Fixed:
> > 3. alt+F2 is cumbersome and unhelpful. (In KDE 3.5.x I can type e.g. k
> > and be presented with a list of all the applications that I have
> > previously used beginning with k.)
> It works that way in KDE 4 as well, so long as you have opened them
> from Krunner in the past. That is how I open all my applications.
They do not. They are much more complicated than in KDE 3 and you have to
type more to be offered anything.
> > 4. Alt+F1 does not bring up the menu.
> It's Alt-F5 for the Kmenu. Has been since KDE 3 I think.
No, it's alt+F1 in KDE 3.5.x. Alt+F5, which I also like and use a lot, brings
up a list of running windows.
> > 5. Kcontrol no longer exists.
> It's called System Settings, and with the Tree menu it's very similar.
> It is being reworked for KDE 4.5, so if you have any suggestions then
> now is the time to make them!
But I don't _like_ KDE 4 and I do, very much, like KDE 3. I like Kcontrol
better than those work-arounds.
> > etc etc.
> Tell me more!
Why? You will only tell me that I have not got your petrmission to
dislike/miss whatever it is.
> >> > I am, however, very sad that KDE 3.5, which I regard as the pinnacle
> >> > of DE's, is being laid to rest.
> >> Then help me shape it's successor. What is not suitable about KDE 4?
> > Why would I rather have a Toyota hatchback (especially a hybrid one) than
> > a two seater sports car?
> You evaded the question. I cannot help when you evade the question.
I have not evaded the question. I have pointed out that I prefer things that
are functional to things that are showy. As I stated at the beginning. As
someone else has pointed out, KDE 4 has had 2 years to become half way
bearable and has signally failed. I mourn the passing of KDE 3.5.x, which I
regard as the pinnacle of DE's. In other words, we have come full circle and
are back at the beginning. You have to learn to accept that not everyone
agrees with you.
And, I fear that the lengths you are going to to try and persuade me that I am
wrong, even to the extent of telling me that I am only allowed to be made ill
by something that also makes your mother ill, do not strike me as helping me.