Andrew, At Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:23:37 -0800 as-w> ... taskbars available with a menu on them ... Right oh. I'd overlooked that. as-w> ... taskbars, you can right click ... I'd never used "Add new item". This should let me restore the desktop. Will try this weekend. as-w> ... do you have both xfce4-panel and xfdesktop running? Yes. Is that normal? Thanks, ... Peter E. http://carnot.yi.org/