Re: [OT] voting
On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 11:12:09 -0700, s. keeling wrote:
> Incoming from Paul Morgan:
>> On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 10:10:35 -0600, John Hasler wrote:
>> > Paul Morgan writes:
>> >> Having said that, when I see a watch, it convinces me of the existence of
>> >> the watchmaker
>> > And when you view the watchmaker as a watch do you see an infinite
>> > regression of watchmakers?
>> 1. I don't view the watchmaker "as a watch".
>> 2. The watchmaker is extrauniversal by definition, and anything
>> extrauniversal is unknowable. Cause and effect may be a local phenomenon.
> Anything extrauniversal can have no effect on that universe. Variable
> is out of scope. That much is knowable.
> Hence, existence or not of proposed watchmaker is irrelevant to
> anything inside that universe. See "Brief History of Time" - Hawking.
You, too are incorrect (IMO, of course). And again perfectly entitled to
your beliefs. I have arrived at mine through decades of reading (including
Hawking) and thinking, and I am disinclined to argue. I have no desire to
convince anyone of anything.
As I said in my original post, it is simply a personal view, hoping
thereby to avoid attack or argument.
"Don't be so humble. You're not that great."