hi fellow geezers at 61 i find the following helps: large monitor continuous intellectual stimulation: read this list write code and more code learn perl and python hack hardware. be well dave -- Dave Mallery, K5EN (r/h 7.3 krud; debian testing) PO Box 520 .~. _ Ramah, NM 87321 /V\ -o) no gates... /( )\ /\\ running GNU/Linux no windows! ^^ ^^ _\_v free at last!