Re: reluctant farewell
On Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 06:26:55PM -0500, Ken Weingold wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 27, 2001, staf wagemakers wrote:
> > On Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 02:15:59PM -0800, Mark Koopman wrote:
> > > better yet, why use a log file analyzer at all? they can't truly measure web
> > > surfer behaviour
> > > anyways, only web server behaviour.
> > customers ask for it :)
> EXACTLY. People love that stuff. Plus the people are companies who
> do the marketing and crap like that need to show the higher-ups that
> they are doing something. Something like Webtrends gives them pretty
> graphs and charts and numbers and makes everyone happy. I personally
> think it's nifty seeing the browsers and OS's people are using.
I think this also possible with webalizer. Anyway it is important that
customers _and_ sales persons know that it's impossible to measure the
real amount of users with a normal access_log. I hate it when none
technical people are taking technical decisions. If they want correct
graphs, they will have to give each user a cookie and store this information
in a database. But I dont like cookies and I like privacy.
Graphs like webtrends or webalizer are useful to show IT-managers that
a GNU/Linux or a Un*x server can serve more hits that a M$ Windows system :)
> again I often look at the X-Mailer or User-Agent headers to see what
> MUA's people are using. And I have seen Webalizer, but people want
At my work they were using webtrends on central NT logserver for twenty
websites. Since the system was too busy and unstable, the customer often
had no nice graphs. So I was allowed to install webalizer on some Solaris
webservers, some customers even like the webalizer stats more....
> Incidentally, yesterday I got a call at work from a sales person at
> Webtrends asking how my trial is going with the product. I am sure
> she regretted calling once she hung up. I really let her have it
> about how proprietary it was towards on distribution of Linux.
More people should do this, it's important that companies know that there
is more that one gnu/Linux distribution and if they want to make profit they
must support more than only RedHat.
A real Debian user will only use Free software, but in a real world this
isn't always possible :( ( Those stupid managers again )
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