I remember having this problem a few years ago with an earlier version. It seems to be happening with the latest version of Netscape. Whenever I access a page with java, netscape just dies. I'm running navigator-smotif-461, version 4.61-11 on potato. I didn't happen until a few days ago and I wonder if something may have changed. Bob -- Bob Nielsen Internet: nielsen@primenet.com Tucson, AZ AMPRnet: w6swe@w6swe.ampr.org DM42nh http://www.primenet.com/~nielsen