Re: Switching from teTeX to TexLive in Ubuntu
[full-quote below with Henk added to the CC list, since I forgot that in
my original mail]
Henk, it would really be useful if you could describe the problems you
were having with TL in Ubuntu, as long as they are not Ubuntu specific.
It is probably worth mentioning that Ubuntu Edgy has versions 2005-2 and
2005.dfsg.1-1. There have been several changes since then. Of course,
this is a general problem with the way Ubuntu is operating.
Just to give an example for the "added value" that integration into
Debian gives: Frontends like lyx or kile now depend on "tetex | texlive"
(symbolically). Without this sort of integration you would either have
to install teTeX in addition to TL installed from DVD or play with
equivs. But of course, nobody is forced to use the TL packages offered
by Debian (and Ubuntu).
Norbert Preining wrote:
> Hi all!
> Quick response from Vietnam: I completely agree with Ralf (of course), I
> followed the TL collections after extensive discussions on d-d, and I think
> that was generally a good decision (beside some complications).
> Concerning "no added value": If the OP would follow the "upstream" tex-live ML
> he would see that actually many of the things changed in the Debian packages
> were also included upstream. I am heavily (ok not now in Vietnam) working with
> Karl and the rest to improve TeX Live afap.
> The only thing actually really different is the font/hyphen/format management.
> But if you don't have any special wishes, then the default will work smoothly.
> So as long as I don't see any description of actual problems I tend to consider
> this email as vain winin, sorry.
> Best wishes
> ..... Original Message .......
> On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 23:41:33 +0100 "Ralf Stubner" <Ralf.Stubner@physik.uni-erlangen.de> wrote:
>>The following message is a courtesy copy of an article
>>that has been posted to comp.text.tex as well.
>>[crossposting to the appropriate Debian list where IMO this discussion
>>Henk Koster <H.A.J.Koster@xs4all.nl> writes:
>>> On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:28:50 +0100, Ralf Stubner wrote:
>>>> Simply put, if there are any generic (ie not Ubunutu specifc) problems
>>>> with the TeX Live or teTeX packages (Peter was talking about the
>>>> latter), than we (the Debian TeX team) would like to hear about them.
>>> OK, I understand. I am not doubting the sincerity of the Debian TeX
>>> maintainers in trying to put together a set of TL packages that provide
>>> users with diverse needs a clear choice of what they do/don't need. My
>>> own disappointment, having switched to TL at an early stage, is that
>>> this choice (as available in Ubuntu Edgy) appears actually more convoluted
>>> than the options provided by the TL packagers in the first place. I'm just
>>> curious about what problem with the TL packaging the Debian TeX team tried
>>> to resolve.
>>Could you be more explicit? The TL packages available in Debian follow
>>the TL collections, which is a very sensible thing IMO.
>>> I don't see the Debian TeX team deciding soon that their effort has led
>>> to little or no added value compared to the TL packaging. Am I too
>>> pessimistic on this?
>>I don't understand. IMO having TL as proper Debian packages has a lot of
>>added value, since other packages that need a TeX system can now depend
>>> (Debian user from hamm -> sarge)
>>PS: Of course, I am talking about the TL packages in Debian right now. I
>>don't know which state made it into Edgy.