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Bug#568141: marked as done (release.debian.org: Latest point release hard to follow / confusing)

Your message dated Sat, 14 May 2011 10:33:21 +0200
with message-id <20110514083320.GL2809@radis.liafa.jussieu.fr>
and subject line Re: Bug#568141: release.debian.org: Latest point release hard to follow / confusing
has caused the Debian Bug report #568141,
regarding release.debian.org: Latest point release hard to follow / confusing
to be marked as done.

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Package: release.debian.org
Severity: important

Recently a point release was shipped (being installed as I type). At
the time of releasing (i.e. when apt saw it) no notice was available
on www.debian.org to verify what was upgraded and the version.

Now the News is up (News/2010/20100130.wml) and since it unfortunately
as usual does not mention the new version of each software (which is
done in every DSA) I as usual went to http://packages.debian.org/XXX
for each package XXX to look for the latest version but to my suprise
I saw the following:

Package/Version shipped vs. http://packages.debian.org/

python-xml (0.8.4-10.1+lenny1) vs. 0.8.4-10.1   
wireshark (1.0.2-3+lenny8) vs. 1.0.2-3+lenny7   
xfs (1:1.0.8-2.2+lenny1) vs. 1:1.0.8-2.1        
kazehakase (0.5.4-2.2+lenny1) vs. 0.5.4-2.2     
base-files (5lenny5) vs. 5lenny4                
...

Obviously different from previous updates this page is out of date. I
was almost considering stopping the update when I checked
http://packages.qa.debian.org/XXX instead (how am I to know that this
page is correct???). 

Here for all packages fortunately the latest version was printed, but
again confusingly. For example, for dhcp3 in column stable the latest
version was given but not in the column stable-sec, while for wireshare 
it was reversed, i.e. the latest version was in stable-sec not stable
column.

Upgrading a system is a delicate process. Since there is no DSA I've to
rely on www.debian.org that everything is ok. A very basic check is
the version number. For this update it was *hard* to check it.

My suggestion: First update www.debian.org (*with* version numbers)
and then push the update out to the mirrors. And secondly unify the
versions given in http://packages.debian.org/XXX and
http://packages.qa.debian.org/XXX (and in the latter also where the
latest one is printed).

-- System Information:
Debian Release: 5.0.4
  APT prefers stable
  APT policy: (500, 'stable')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)

Kernel: Linux 2.6.27.10-grsec-cz03
Locale: LANG=de_DE@euro, LC_CTYPE=de_DE@euro (charmap=UTF-8) (ignored: LC_ALL set to de_DE.UTF-8)
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On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 10:23:04 +0200, Helge Kreutzmann wrote:

> reopen 568141
> thanks
> 
> Hello Julien,
> On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 01:31:16AM +0200, Julien Cristau wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb  2, 2010 at 19:15:01 +0100, Helge Kreutzmann wrote:
> > 
> > > Recently a point release was shipped (being installed as I type). At
> > > the time of releasing (i.e. when apt saw it) no notice was available
> > > on www.debian.org to verify what was upgraded and the version.
> > > 
> > So don't upgrade until you get the announcement.  Closing this bug.
> 
> Please read the entire bug report before closing. Reading only the
> first paragraph might lead to jumping to wrong conclusions. (Also the
> discussion already progressed in the bug trail btw.).
> 
> The next paragraph (which you deleted) reads:
>  Now the News is up (News/2010/20100130.wml) and since it
>  unfortunately as usual does not mention the new version of each software
>  (which is done in every DSA) I as usual went to
>  http://packages.debian.org/XXX
>  for each package XXX to look for the latest version but to my suprise
>  I saw the following:
> 
> ... 
> 
> and then the bug report continues about inconsistencies between
> various version reports on Debian sites. So it is clearly not about a
> missing announcement and reading it ("News/2010/20100130.wml") does
> not help (so in fact I even *did* get the announcement, though
> "getting" it is another issue one could discuss).
> 
This is still about the fact that you're expecting all debian.org
resources to be in sync at point release time.  I don't think that's
reasonable, the release process is complicated enough as it is.  Please
don't reopen.

Cheers,
Julien

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