Re: Should su-to-root be shipped in a separate package?
First of all sorry for the late response, I've been very busy with RL lately.
On 03/03/2008, Bill Allombert <Bill.Allombert@math.u-bordeaux1.fr> wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 11:58:49AM -0600, Raphael Geissert wrote:
> > IMHO we can not just 'give up' because there's no common way to do it; if in
> > the feature xdg-utils ships such kind of wrapper su-to-root could simply
> > check for it and use it instead.
> The Exec field of .desktop file is specified byt the XDG menu draft, and
> should follow the XDG draft, and not distribution-specific
> indiosyncrasy. Discuss the issue on the XDG list.
"Exec Program to execute, possibly with arguments."
I don't see any problem nor contradiction nor any similar
problem/issue raised by simply using su-to-root instead of <insert a
custom su wrapper prefix here>su.
IMHO it is worst to force people to install a custom su wrapper just
because of the .desktop file calls it.
> > Please also remember that xdg-utils is Priority: optional while debianutils
> > is Essential: yes, Priority: required; meaning that if packages were to
> > use 'xdg-su-wrapper' they would have to Depend on xdg-utils pulling yet an
> > other package.
> This is a very weak argument: packages that implement XDG menus should
> really depend on xdg-utils (but of course not packages simply providing
> .desktop files).
The proposal also includes .desktop files so I don't really see the
point of your statement, specially because I find pointless to depend
on xdg-utils just because you ship a given file (which I'm 100% sure
the package can perfectly live and work without it).
> > But other than that what do you think about moving su-to-root to
> > debianutils?
> Given what is su-to-root, I do not think it make sense to have it be
> Essential: yes. It is almost never used.
Probably because not very much people know about it and because there
has been no concensus on what to use as a su wrapper.
> I do not like the idea of moving su-to-root outside of menu source
> because there are people using menu outside Debian and they would
> be inconvenienced if the tarball does not contain su-to-root anymore.
If that's the problem why don't you just keep shipping it in the
tarball besides including it in debianutils?
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