Re: Public request that action be taken at whoever abused their technical power to remove me from the kernel team at alioth.
Sven Luther wrote:
> On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 07:21:08PM +0200, Joey Schulze wrote:
> > Sven Luther wrote:
> > > On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 09:36:47AM -0700, Mike Bird wrote:
> > > > Sven,
> > > >
> > > > You may or may not have been mistreated but the volume of your
> > > > arguments is disproportionate. There are millions of people
> > > > who are being treated far worse and on an ongoing basis and I'd
> > > > like to use what few spare cycles my brain has to worry about
> > > > them rather than skipping over arguments about Sven.
> > >
> > > Possibly, but for two points :
> > >
> > > - i am not forcing you to read this thread, just as i am not forced to
> > > read each of the random flamewar which debian has had without me
> > > being involved.
> > You are not forced to work on Debian and pollute its mailing lists
> > either, yet still you seem to be doing exactly that. Why?
> Why can't i post on debian mailing lists, if it costs nothing but email
> archive space and some bandwidth, which is cheap nowaday ? Just because
Technically you can. Maybe that's the problem. I assume that it's
being worked on.
You should not because you annoy people and demonstrate all the time
that you're unable to accept other people's opinion if they don't
exactly match your own. That's doing yourself a big disfavour. You
don't believe this, I know. It's hopeless.
> you don't like what i have to say i should i have less right to the use
> of the mailing lists than you or others do ?
Thanks for putting differnt words in my mouth. If you are unable to
contribute anything useful couldn't you just STFU like everybody else?
> Or do you deny that this is a ways more important topic than the choice
> of code names, or seeing the d-i folk fight over usplash, or any other
> random thread on our lists ?
You are writing bullshit. Everybody else notices this. Except you.
> Why should i have less right to post on the lists than others do ?
The time will come when you will have less rights to post to the
Debian lists. Just continue.
> Please tell me when i have been spreading FUD. I have always told the
You are repeating that the request for suspension has anything to do
with your DPL candidacy, yet there's no such proof. This is FUD.
> truth to the best of my knowledge, which has not been the case of
Maybe your knowledge is not the best because it's based on the
assumption that you know what others think? Yet you fail to realise
that others are annoyed and offended by you and your actions.
> everyone here. As for dead horses, i am not dead yet.
You're not beating yourself. Not sure if you should...
> > true, but a pretty pointless one. As said numerous times, you would do
> > yourself and others a favour stopping that.
> It is not my fault it is a pointless one. Why can't we take this
Yes it is your fault.
> oportunity to finally handle this issue like it should have been from
> the start, and give debian a tool to really handle such social problems
> so it won't happen again in the future ?
Because nobody has invented such a tool yet. And even if that will be
the case in the future, I don't anticipate you to accept its handling
of the issue. Hence, its existence doesn't matter at all. LET IT GO SVEN!
> > > > I would therefore ask you to reduce the volume of your posts on
> > > > this subject by at least two orders of magnitude.
> > >
> > > Sure, but what will it bring ?
> > Contrary to the flood of mails it has the potential to calm down the
> > situation, at least for people not named 'Sven Luther'.
> To what end ? So we can have this same mess in two weeks ?
The so called mess is your flood of aggression, FUD and $whatever.
> > > Would be a solution, but the problem is that there is absolutely no will
> > > on the other side to even look at the problem, so i have no solution but
> > > to make a fuss to say that the current situation is unacceptable to me.
> > The solution is you not having d-i commit permission. You don't accept
> > this.
> Message-ID: <20070529103814.GB31809@powerlinux.fr>
> My responsability :
> - I admit that the d-i team don't want to deal with me, too bad for
> debian and them.
Great! Now stop this rediculous thread and start living again.
> > Due to your behaviour you have also be suspended for a while.
> Not due to my behaviour, due to unaceptable full play, and
> irregularities in the expulsion procedure. This is not the same, and
> this is the truth nobody wants me to claim loudly.
Yes, because of your own behaviour. Live with this. You are
responsible for how you are treated, not only and always other people.
> Well, i think you are wrong.
I know. You believe everybody is wrong and is after you. We all know
that. You have expressed this numerous times. No need to repeat that.
> The irregularities around the expulsion
> procedure are hurting deban, and many are outraged by it, even though
> they remain silent.
YOU are hurting Debian AND YOURSELF much more than the expulsion
procedure could ever do.
> But debian can grow up, and learn how to deal which such social crisis.
In theory you could grow up and accept the reality.
Never trust an operating system you don't have source for!