Re: Expulsion process: Sven Luther - Decision
Taking this to -project, since i am no more a DD.
On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 10:36:41AM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 07:20:03AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 01:52:11AM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> > > Decision
> > > --------
> > >
> > > After reading through all of the mails we (the DAMs) have decided that
> > > we do not expell Sven but instead to suspend his account for 1 year.
> > I am disapointed, bitter, and angry, why, oh why, could you not have left this
> > issue stay, i would have gone mostly inactive in the next time, as i told you
> > i would, why did you need to openly accuse me like that ? How do you think
> > this would have helped in any way ?
> They explained why. And it's not like we didn't warned you enough that
> if you started again to act compulsatory on the list, repeating over the
> same things, whereas you claimed (and I was fool enough to believe you
> at the time) to want to do a fresh start ... it wouldn't be understood
> as a coherent course of actions, well surprisingly enough it has not
> been understood as coherent.
> You were told for _hours_ from many people on IRC on -fr channels that
> you were on the ejection seat, and that you had to be _extra_ polite and
> calm on the list. But no, you preferred to slowly drown into your bad
> habits of yours. Well FWIW I consider the decision is fair, I wouldn't
> had 2 weeks ago, but _you_ are the one to blame here.
So what ? This is exactly what i wanted to avoid, and why i did this.
I wanted that the expulsion be judged on his own, and not because i had
behaved or not.
The result is, that it is now considered appropriate in Debian to go into a
year-long provocation of someone, do a bad job as mediator, and then *AS DPL
AND MEDIATOR* ask for his expulsion, and as a result getting him thrown out.
If i had not done this few events you are so reproaching, then i would forever
be under scrutiny, i would not dare oppose anyone on technical ground, for
fear to see them say, see, you are starting again, and you should have been
expulsed, i would *FOREVER* have been on the ejection seat.
So, yes, i did it, partially on purpose, to see what would happen, and we all
saw what happened.
This is i believe the worse thing that could happen to debian, since the
project has now claimed, through the voice of both his DPL and the DAMs, that
DDs are just machines, which can be thrown out when they are no more useful,
and that the abject and hateful behaviour of a few DDs in a systematic witch
hunt against a fellow DD who dared to question their authority on technical
issues, altough maybe clumsily, is acceptable.
So, after Andrew Suffield, after Jonathan/Ted Walter, it is my turn, because i
was not pliable enough to the power-hungryness of a few who believe themselves
debian overlords, and with this current precedent, i only question who is
Seriously, i had anyway had intentions of going inactive for some time, so i
question, was this really necessary ? Was this what was best for debian, well,
i seriously doubt so, but i am out of the game, and it is for others to see
what happens in this, but this is the most *SHAMEFUL* and *DANGEROUS* decision
which i ever saw taken in debian.