One time on Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 01:24:08AM -0800 this person named Jonathan Walther wrote: > I don't believe the treatment you receive in channel #debian is > representative of how women are treated in the project itself, by actual > developers. The Debian developement team, including myself, has always > bent over backward to be inclusive and polite to females. Perhaps they were not developers but the channel is a Debian resource. Most people do not meet the developers before they consider becoming one, or, in fact, when they first begin using Debian. It's an off-putting environment, and not just for women. > Should we then have special standards for women? That is, men should > not flame, but women can be rude if they feel like it? I would be ok > with such a standard, as long as it is explicitly stated. I don't believe you were present during the #debian-devel discussion. That was directed at people who thought I was overreacting or that I shouldn't have used foul language, etc. I never said men couldn't be rude. > >1. Don't pander to us just because we're women. > Why not? There are standards of civility, and those standards include > acting like a gentleman. Acting like a gentleman is an antiquated notion, much like "acting like a lady." However, that is another debate, so I won't discuss any follow-ups you may include to this statement. Just know that we disagree. > >2. Don't flirt with us just because we're women. > Impossible. More than 90% of the worlds men use that as their chief > criteria for choosing who they flirt with. Should Debian now exclude > all heterosexual men? I believe you misunderstood the statement. You don't have to flirt with someone just because she has a vagina. > Does that happen very often? Are you certain the insults are because > you are female, as opposed to other reasons, such as a conflict between > female behaviors and male behaviors? Well, "very often" is probably subject to interpretation. It happens too often, IMO, but probably not "very often" to you. I have been insulted plenty of times for reasons not relating to my gender. I'm able to tell the difference. I don't want special treatment - I'm sorry if you think these three things are classified as special. Erinn -- off the chain like a rebellious guanine nucleotide http://double-helix.org
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