Re: Ban for debian-powerp on Sven Luther lifted.
On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 07:57:18AM +0200, Ingo Juergensmann wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 12:57:34AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
>
> > > We just lifted the ban on Sven Luther on this list.
> > Thanks,
>
> Yes, great! :)
>
> > > As you might see in the Archive of d-project the name of Sven is still
> > > causing irritations, so we now run the ban-lifting on a per request
> > > basis and ask the users of the lists. (and d-powerpc isn't the first
> > > list where we lifted the ban)
> > Cord, i believe that the right thing would have been for the ban to
> > happen on those lists which where users requested it, and not on all
> > lists as it has been. The concept of censorship that debian used against
> > me is a very grave act, and one of shame and dishonor for debian.
> > > [...]
> > Nothing in this mess has been helpful, and i can understand Børge
> > reaction, which is the kind of reaction debian deserves for engaging in
> > censorship and expulsion over a damn childish personal vendetta of a few
> > guys.
>
> But...
> Sven, I think it would be better to let the story rest in peace and to go on
> and look forward instead looking backward. Nobody can change what happened,
> but it will make many things easier for you, when you don't look back in
> anger and always pointing everyone to what happened to you.
Yes, but when i tried to do this, during my self imposed ban in
january/february for example, and tried to go forward helping organize
the FOSDEM booth, they chose the occasion to relaunch the expulsion
procedure. Or when i provided over 30 patches for powerpc despite the
constrants set upon me, as documented in the wiki pages, they removed my
right to upload my own .udeb providing packages.
I have tried this many times in the past, and they wouldn't let me.
> > But anyway, thanks for lifting the ban, now, let's see if we can bring
> > the powerpc port in action again, despite the clear will of the d-i
> > leadership to kill it. I wanted to participate in this evenings d-i irc
> > meeting (http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Meetings/Coordination),
> > to discuss the status of the powerpc port, but the d-i folk rejected my
> > participation.
>
> Of course, everyone else should give you a fair chance either. Kicking you
> out of an IRC meeting is not fair when you haven't complained about the past
> so far. I hope that the d-i team stops its childish behaviour and becoming
> interested in serious work and cooperation again.
Given that it was Frans Pop who started all this, that he was the one
asking for my expulsion from debian (which debian's leadership agreed
to), i have little hope. Already in the thread starting in :
http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2007/07/msg00323.html
they got criticized by others over the so called d-i leaderhsip acting
in a arrogant way and deciding unilateraly of things without consulting
the team. This is interesting, because it is one of the main complaint i
have against them, and which caused them to go in their witch-hunt
against me, since i was not "respectful" enough.
> >From my point of view, the PPC port was losing quality after your expulsion
> from the d-i team and it would be worthwhile for the port to get you back
> doing serious work again. Both parties involved should concentrate on the
> work to do and not on personal sympathy/antipathy.
I am all for this, i made numerous conciliation offers in this
direction, but to no avail. The other party, strong in his power
position, sees absolutely no interest in compromising, or putting the
work and debian and our users before personal feud. And the way they
fighted me has hurt me in more ways than one.
> Let's up that everyone involved is professional enough to work together for
> the sake of the PPC port!
As said, i don't believe in this. Debian has proven that it cares more
about the d-i leadership vendeta than professionalism and technical
points, especially as they expulsed me on Frans request, without even
giving me a chance to discuss it.
I see only a few alternatives, but will provide them in another
fresh thread.
Friendly,
Sven Luther
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