scripsit Neil Williams: > On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:19:09 -0700 > Thanasis Kinias <tkinias@kinias.org> wrote: > > > is to do a non-DD NMU and let the Games Team sponsor it if they > > want... it seemed silly to duplicate the work. > > > No URL, no bug reports, no detail - how do you propose that it > > > gets sponsored? > > Sounds like a request for sponsorship to me - and one that was lacking > the most basic information. Well, I expect if I were requesting sponsorship I would have entitled the e-mail `RFS: ...' and set the seeking-sponsors flag on the mentors upload to `yes'. And I would not have specified that it was the package maintainer I was addressing. > > (1) I was not addressing you, Neil. > > You were addressing this list and I am part of the list, so I replied. > Seems straightforward enough. If your mail was for a subset of this > list, maybe that should have been clearer in the original mail or sent > direct? I see now I transposed the `To:' and the `CC:' headers in my original post: I was e-mailing the maintainer and CCing this list out of courtesy since I was using the mentors server to hold the files. I can see how it might have been confusing since I in fact did set `To:' to this list and `CC:' to the maintainer. > > (2) I was not requesting sponsorship. > > See above. It looked like it to me. YMMV. Indeed, YMMV. > > That's twice now, Neil, that you have replied in a very rude and > > aggressive to my posts to this list. > > ? Huh ? You misinterpret. > > > I don't know if you are confusing me with someone else or if you > > just have very poor social skills in general, but since you seem to > > have an inability to respond politely and constructively I guess I'd > > just prefer you ignored my posts. Killfile me if I offend you so. > > I'm just trying to contribute to this project and I don't need to > > deal with your attitude problems. > > You appear confused. I have not done anything of the sort and if you > have misread my requests due to who knows what reason, it is nothing > to do with me. > > I don't killfile anyone. I'm not impolite although sometimes direct. > If you see attitude problems where none exist, I can't do much about > that except continue to contribute in a constructive and efficient > manner as I have done for some time. Nothing I have said on this list > or any other public list should be contorted into the meaning you > appear to ascribe. Directness is a popular excuse for rudeness. You go beyond that, however. I direct you to reread your response to my RFS for cinepaint, where you not only were hostile, accused me of lying by omission, and abused me for using a template on the mentors Web site. You wrote: ] This just isn't good enough - not by a long way. Packages are not ] removed from unstable without due cause so be OPEN about the cause - ] this is open source, this is Debian - "we don't hide problems". You could, of course, simply have looked at the bug the upload closed, which would have explained in detail what was going on. But you didn't do that; you made a very clear implication that I was hiding the reason the package was removed and trying to sneak something (harmful?) back into Debian. You could have very tersely said something like `You need to give us a full report of bugs and reason for the package's removal' in your response, which would have been direct and not unnecessarily padded with _politesse_. Instead you chose to characterize my request as `woeful', accusing me of treating mentors as `a dumping ground for bad packages', and informed me that I was `going to have to do a LOT more to make up for such a bad start', since I was `starting from a deeply negative position', and that my `responses had better be very good'. Finally, you were kind enough to sign off by saying you were `not going to do [my] work for [me] on this one'. I suppose that might not strike you as hostile or abusive. As you said, YMMV. But I don't think it takes much for this to be `contorted into the meaning [I] appear to ascribe' (your words), i.e. a `rude and aggressive' reply (my words). Incidentally, when I pointed out where you were mistaken about the presence of RC bugs in the package, you simply failed to respond. That's fine; I prefer that to further abuse. -- Thanasis Kinias Doctoral Candidate, Department of History, and Instructor, Professional Enhancement Programs Arizona State University, Tempe, Arizona, U.S.A. . Je ne viens d'aucun pays, d'aucune cité, d'aucune tribu. Je suis fils de la route, ma patrie est caravane, et ma vie la plus inattendue des traversées. -- Amin Maalouf, _Léon l'Africain_
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