Le Lun 22 Mai 2006 00:55, Steve Langasek a écrit : > On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 11:24:12PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > Le dimanche 21 mai 2006 à 16:17 -0500, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : > > > Good, but you shouldn't decide what others have to do. Some > > > people are interested in java in non-free, it's not your job to > > > try to forbid them to work on that. > > > > Not if it hurts the project. And it does. > > How? I personally thinks it hurts our users, and as a secondary effect, us. Beeing distributable is a property that should not be depends upon the time, the color of your hair, or the phase of the moon. Java license (especially clause 4) makes the distribution of a specific version of java beeing revocable, which can hurts a lot of users that may then depends on it. A re-licensing e.g. would not be the same, because the last previous version that had a distributable license would still be allowed to stay in non-free until full deprecation or even for life. the java license is full of retro-active clauses, that can lead into the removal of *any* version of java that has ever been in debian. Even one that has been distributed to millions of users. *that* would hurt. another writing of the clause 4 that would be acceptable for debian is the following: » this version of java comes with that list of requirements your » kernel/OS/arch/... *must* support [the list]. If you don't or can't, » you are not allowed to ship that version of java. that would be acceptable for non-free, because if a version of java qualifies for a given stable release, it will for life. beeing distributable is not a property that is 50% true and need killing a cat to know if it's rather 1 or rather 0. for me, this issue *is* the real one. and I'd support any GR (or any kind of action) that would precise what we call "distributable" implies durability of that state. I just cannot imagine that we allow a package even into non-free if we are not sure it can stay here forever. -- ·O· Pierre Habouzit ··O madcoder@debian.org OOO http://www.madism.org
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