Re: A new practical problem with invariant sections?
Glenn Maynard wrote:
On Thu, Feb 16, 2006 at 10:49:47AM +0400, olive wrote:
You have? You elided the bulk of Don's response wholesale, and your
arguments often seem to reduce to poorly-defended assertions of what
you think the DFSG should mean.
As I have already said in a previous message let's say we disagree. Any
opinion in contradiction with yours will be "poorly defended". Some of
Nope. I've had lots of debates with others on this list where the
other person's position was well-defended. This is not one of them.
As a case in point, you still havn't responded to Don's message which,
as noted above, you elided wholesale, and still havn't replied to.
Because I have already given the opinion I have. Basically I do not
believe in "bright line test" since it always lead to absurd situations.
(the same apply for standard law). I am for a reading of the DFSG where
we preserve the spirit. I think the ability to modify the technical part
is enough; and suffices to exercice our freedom. The DFSG are somewhat
vague and certainly does not require that everything can be modified
without restriction. We have of course to put a line somewhere and I do
not place the line at the same place as you.
The other complains is, in my opinion based on a wrong reading of the
DFSG. When we read the DFSG as a whole it seems obvious that it sipmly
mean that you cannot prevent people who have received the manual to
exercice their right. At least in my country (Belgium); court generally
pay more attention to the spirit of a contract rather than to the
letters. I agree though that it would be a good idea for the FSF to
remove these ambiguities.
In the case of documentation, sure: the FSF's notions of Free Documentation
have diverged from Debian's. Debian feels that documentation should be
held to the same standards of freedom as programs, and the FSF does not.
Feel free to lobby to have that page changed, if you feel it necessary,
but refrain from trying to use it as a stick to beat Debian with.
I am pretty sure that the FSF would consider a license like the GFDL
free even for software (a license which oblige to attach a political
text to a sofware). As seen from the old BSD license, it would probably
discourage it and in this sense I agree that the FSF is not very
coherent (I have never said the GFDL is a "good" license; what I say is
that it is "acceptable").
For political texts; there are more fondamental difference as the FSF
believe that they cannot be modified at all.