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Re: Let's stop feeding the NVidia cuckoo



On Wed, Mar 02, 2005 at 08:55:53AM -0500, Michael Poole wrote:
> Andrew Suffield writes:
> 
> > On Wed, Mar 02, 2005 at 12:36:30PM +0000, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> > > Requiring layered formats for
> > > source is also going to result in PNGs being non-free in many cases.
> > 
> > This sort of mindless sophistry accomplishes nothing. Requiring source
> > does not make programs non-free. Failing to provide source is what
> > makes programs non-free. The contents of the Debian archive is not
> > non-free just because we require source.
> 
> Who is being a mindless sophist?

People who scream every time we find a package with missing source,
because obviously it's impossible that any such package could ever be
distributed with source, and so by finding them we're making them
non-free.

It gets really tiresome. Like the people who blame bug reporters, as
if the bug didn't exist before it was reported.

> Take, for example,
> /usr/share/doc/doc-iana/cctld/jp/sakamoto-sig.jpg from doc-iana,
> currently in main.  It is a JPEG of a signature.  We cannot distribute
> Sakamoto-san.  The image was produced in Photoshop, which means there
> may not be a precursor file that is freely manipulable.  What is
> source?

<snip rest of examples>

Wrong part of the thread, we've been here already. This is not
directly relevant.

> > In most cases, requiring layered formats for source is going to result
> > in getting layered formats for source. It is obviously the correct
> > thing to be distributing; upstreams who have it but don't distribute
> > it probably just didn't think of it.
> 
> In a significant number of cases, requiring layered formats for source
> will mean that DDs must create DFSG-sanitized "orig" tarballs by
> removing images that upstream distributes.

Or by adding images that upstream did not distribute. You're doing it
as well. "Delete it" is *not* the only possible answer to a buggy
package. Stop pretending that it is.

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