Re: GUADEC report
To summarise: yes, tell us where debian-legal goes wrong, but don't be
a sniper.
On 2004-07-10 08:07:08 +0100 Branden Robinson <branden@debian.org>
wrote:
Well, while you're all vigorously agreeing with each other, it would
be
nice if you guys would cite actual examples of debian-legal people
"beating
upstreams about the head and shoulders with ideology".
Sadly, you don't have to look too far to find debian-legal people
flaming upstreams, but these aren't usually regular posters, DDs or
particularly concerned with ideology. Also, those who are regulars or
DDs do usually try to fix that bug when they notice it.
Even more common is are -legal subcribers flaming DDs if they fail to
express their ideas (or are just plain wrong), which is also not
helpful.
Really, this is one of the problems of running an open list and
inviting all-comers to help. On the whole, the benefits outweigh the
drawbacks, but we need to keep on top of it.
So, I second your invitation to Buddha Buck, David Nusinow and Andrew
Pollock to make us aware of things we need to fix or learn from,
rather than propogating the myth that we see "beating upstreams about
the head" as a good tool. I want more free software and friends of
free software.
[...] some third party Debian developer who seems enraged
that questions are even being asked.[3]
I dislike DDs who want this list to engage in a conspiracy of silence
and denial, never look at existing packages and so on. It helps me if
everyone who wants to understand these issues does. If we
misunderstand something, then I'd love us to be corrected, as then I
know more. The likes of Marco d'Itri are snipers, sitting in their
ivory towers and trying to improve the school by shooting at those
they think are failing, breeding fear and mistrust. I have much more
respect for people like Matthew Garrett, who actually help, even
though I don't completely agree with him.
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