On Saturday, 2009-08-22, David Baron wrote: > On Friday 21 August 2009 13:16:48 Kevin Krammer wrote: > > On Thursday, 2009-08-20, David Baron wrote: > > > KDE 4.3 comes up with pulseaudio whether I want it or not. If I were to > > > use it, I need to start it with options other than the default used, I > > > sincerely believe. > > > > Which package did you install that depends on Pulseaudio? > > Can't you just remove it if you have mixing capabilities elsewhere > > (driver, hardware, etc)? > > Easy enough. However, pulse is just there. It is not causing problems and > some future version might even be useful! Right. > > > Problem is that, as I have stated, an instance of hald and dbus, owned > > > by haldaemon and messageboxd.., are started with it. These bog down the > > > system. Plasma-desktop will be taking > 30%, the daemns 10-20%, this > > > idle. > > > > I think the system bus D-Bus and HAL are started through the init > > scripts. After all they are system daemons, not user session ones. > > Correct. They used to be root-owned, now they have their own owners (please > forgive). I think that at least D-Bus was always owned by a different user. This is part of the priviledge separation feature it provides. HAL might have required root at earlier versions to interact with all this kernel stuff. > > Certain features will not work if they require interaction with system > > components (powermanagement settings, network settings, etc), but there > > should be not problem starting KDE. > > KDE will not start if I have killed them. Runs fine without them until Ilog > out. Hmm, interesting. Didn't know there was a dependency on the system bus. > Since these were there before 4.3 and other recent Sid upgrades, they in > themselves are not the problem. Something in 4.3's core or in recent Xorg > is exercising them. Right, xorg depends on D-Bus and HAL for detecting devices. Cheers, Kevin
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