Chris > So it may still be possible for KDE to make it into woody, but it > looks like kamera, ark, and kdepim will be casualties. What about i386 and Kamera ? I'm a photographer. Been looking forward to using Kamera for six months now. Be a shame if I can't get hold of it. I'm using Gphoto to sort out the pictures that I've been taking. Thanks -- Richard www.sheflug.co.uk