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Re: seeking input on rbls and anti-spam measures



On Tue, 2003-03-04 at 18:36, Sis wrote:
> > I do not use the spamcop rbl, because spamcop doesn't check carefully
> > enough, imho, when it lists a server. I've heard that it repeatedly
> > lists mailing list servers and takes some time delisting them again.
> 
>    I believe they all have a degree of "elasticity". I mean, they all
> have some mechanism for listing and delisting and most have chosen their

Sure. And what I say here about spamcop is just what I remember from
earlier, similar debates. Nothing with hard data.

> method on purpose. Could someone list the RBLs in order of, let's say
> "strictest confidence" (only lists confirmed spamhauses that have been
> warned and are blatantly ignoring complaints) to "most likely to list my
> grandmother because she misspelled 'warehouse' again"? If someone with
> experience could list the RBLs by their philosophy, then it would be
> easier for us SysAdmins to choose our own tolerance.

I'd be very interested in the results of such a comparison...

A major feature, imho, is the text returned in the DNS answer (is this a
HINFO or what is used?). rfc-ignorant and wirehub don't say anything
specific. dsbl, spamhaus and ordb give an URL with exact reasons for the
listing. dnsrbl is somewhere in between, giving the date of the listing
and a short explanation.

> > If we're discussing uce measures:
> > 
> > I've accumulated a few spamtrap accounts (former usenet or web mail
> > addresses). What possibilies to automatically report these are there? I
> > currently do
> >  - redirect to uce@ftc.gov (but I heard that's out of service)
> >  - report to razor (but that doesn't do anything against the spammer
> > 
> > I would like it if an incoming mail would automatically cause a dsbl.org
> > and/or ordb.org check & listing, but I haven't been able to find such a
> > test program so far (there are some, but they expect me to specify the
> > IP - and I haven't got time to write a Received: header parser right
> > now.
> 
>    I also report to spamrecycle@ChooseYourMail.com but i'm afraid they
> just /dev/null it, trying to look like they are doing something.

Well, reporting there, too, shouldn't hurt...

>    Thank you to anyone who can come up with a list of all RBLs and their
> characteristics. If nobody else has done it, i might be willing to put
> up a page with all the information on it.

I didn't look at it, but just thought maybe the
news.admin.net-abuse.e-mail FAQ has something to say? the spews.org site
only has a list of links to the homepages of the various lists.

cheers
-- vbi

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