On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 03:04:35PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 09:49:07PM +0800, Patrick Lauer wrote: > > But anyway, we're getting tired of their ADHD-driven changes just to > > change things > TBH, I'm getting tired of people who are constantly shooting against > them because these people are unwilling to accept changes. We're not > bringing Linux forward if we stick to 30-year-old concepts. systemd is a > good design and most people actually agree otherwise it wouldn't become > standard on so many distributions (except Ubuntu, but that's rather a > political decision IMHO). Pretty sure you have this backwards. The decision to implement upstart and use it in Ubuntu was a political one. The decision to NIH a dependency-based init system and then try to strongarm everyone into using it by breaking compatibility was the political one. BTW, if systemd is a good design, why does it rely so heavily on socket-based activation, which has fundamentally unmaintainable security? > One of the Arch developers actually made a couple of good points why > they switched to systemd as default [1]. I have spent too much time arguing against the perceived deficiencies of systemd (such as [...] "it was started by Lennart Poettering" [...]). I strongly believe that 1) all of these perceived deficiencies are not deficiencies, but are actually benefits [...] So I guess the Arch developers also have nothing but nice things to say about pulseaudio and avahi. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developer http://www.debian.org/ slangasek@ubuntu.com vorlon@debian.org
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