Re: adding desktop files to misc packages
Le jeudi 26 juillet 2007 à 10:54 +0200, Wouter Verhelst a écrit :
> One thing I do not like about the GNOME usability philosophy is
> precisely this: catering for the novice user is great, but the GNOME
> usability philosophy caters for novice users *at the expense of
> experienced users*.
This widespread belief is entirely untrue. It is all about making things
understandable for the novice user without reducing functionality for
experienced users; that doesn't mean removing functionality, but rather
removing the *need* for some functionality or configurability.
Many Unix users are used to a high level of configurability, and it is
definitely frustrating not to encounter it when you are used to. But in
the end I find myself gaining a lot of time, because the only things
that are shown in the interface are the things I actually need.
> If you want to do that in GNOME, go ahead, be my
> guest; I couldn't care less anyway. And in fact, I installed GNOME on my
> parent's machine, since I don't want to have to repeatedly explain them
> too much, so your philosophy has some uses. But please don't expand that
> philosophy to the rest of the Debian system, where it is totally
I have no business into changing other environments' menus. This is why
I suggested that we keep the Debian menu as it is for those who prefer
it. As people seem to want to switch to the freedesktop menu given its
superiority, I only want to ensure the GNOME menu is improved by the
process rather than being turned into garbage.
> I'll agree that some things could be finetuned, and that some things
> simply don't belong in the menu system. But these things are exceptions,
> and I think most of the applications that are in the menu system
> currently do belong there.
> Speaking of "modifying the interface", one reason why I think the GNOME
> people have the idea that nobody ever modifies their interface is that
> it is simply too hard to modify the interface in GNOME.
I don't think anyone claimed that nobody does modify their interface.
The problem is that the very idea of modifying it is not intuitive.
> Adding an icon
> to the panel or the desktop should be a drag-and-drop operation.
> Changing the desktop background should not require me to add the
> image to a list of background images first before I can pick it from
> that list.
Whoa? The background properties capplet features a button that spawns a
file chooser in which you can choose a picture and get done with it. And
that's for the complicated way; otherwise it's just a matter of
right-clicking on the picture in epiphany and selecting "use as
> These are useless hoops to jump through; and even Windows has
> been doing this correctly for about 10 years.
Talking about Windows in a thread about menus sounds... well, no
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