Re: Oldenburg DevJam meeting (2005-09-23)
On 11/8/05, Arnaud Vandyck <avdyk@debian.org> wrote:
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> Hi,
>
> This is the (long awaited) report from the DevJam (Debian Java
> Meeting) from Oldenburg (September 23 2005)[0]. You can find other
> reports at the SkoleLinux Wiki[1] or an article by Mark Wielaard at
> LWN[2].
>
> At DevJam several Java people from different distributions meet for
> the first time. This way there was the possibility to talk about how the
> different distributions currently handle java packages. Furthermore
> there are several discussions how the distributions can join efforts in
> their task of maintaining java packages.
>
> We discussed the available toolchain (compiler, runtime
> environments, tools) for free java available. Both from an upstream
> point of view and what is the best approach to integrate them.
> Discussion happened if we should have the default compiler and
> runtimes and how we can make it easier for users to switch between
> different java environments.
>
> Mark Wielaard provided an overview about the current state of GNU
> classpath and which parts are currently missing and where to go with the
> new 1.5 features (generics-branch)
>
> Andrew Haley (upstream of gcj) gave an overview about the state of aot
> (ahead of time) compilation of java code with gcj and which tools are
> available for packagers. Gary Benson gave a talk about the caveats of
> aot compiling of java code during packaging and how he solves some of
> the problems in fedora packaging.
>
> All over the days there happended discussions between people of debian
> java and other distributions about various topics of interest ...
>
> Dalibor Topic explained his experience with JCP and the difficulties
> we have to understand, their (SUNs) fear and the difficulties they have
> to understand our motivations for free software.
>
> One of the needs of distributions for schools like skolelinux is that
> free java just has to work. This is currently not the state as there are
> missing tools (like keytool) in the free toolchain as well as missing
> implementations in GNU classpath. This way it is still hard to
> completely use free java for education without the possiblity that
> something breaks.
>
> There were discussions how this situation could be improved. First of
> all the integration of free java in the distribution and selective
> runtime usage for programs should be implemented by tools like
> java-config or find_jvm. This way packagers can ensure that a program
> really works with his configured free runtime without any
> problems. Another point is to improve the upstream toolchain so its
> easier for GNU classpath developers to get an overview over what is
> missing in the code or only implemented as a stub. As there is stuff
> missing in GNU classpath, priority of implementing functionality was
> also discussed.
>
> I'm very sorry for the long delay of the report. Thanks for reading.
>
> People:
> o Wolfgang Baer (Debian)
> o Gary Benson (RedHat)
> o Daniel Bornkessel (SuSE)
> o Rene Engelhard (Debian)
> o Kurt Gramlich (DebianEdu, Skolelinux)
> o Andrew Haley (RedHat)
> o Matthias Klose (Ubuntu)
> o Michael Koch (GNU Classpath, Debian)
> o Pablo Pita
> o Petteri Rty (Gentoo)
> o Christian Thalinger (CacaoVM)
> o Dalibor Topic (Kaffe)
> o Arnaud Vandyck (Debian)
> o Jeroen VanWolffelaar (Debian)
> o Rene Wagner (OpenEmbedded)
> o Mark Wielaard (GNU Classpath)
> Sorry if I forgot someone...
>
> [0] http://java.debian.net/index.php/DevJam
> [1] http://skolelinux.de/wiki/FreeJava/Meeting050923
> [2] http://lwn.net/Articles/152664/
>
> - --
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