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Re: Oldenburg DevJam meeting (2005-09-23)



On 11/8/05, Arnaud Vandyck <avdyk@debian.org> wrote:
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>   Hi,
>
>   This is the (long awaited) report from the DevJam (Debian Java
> Meeting)  from Oldenburg  (September  23 2005)[0].  You  can find  other
> reports  at the SkoleLinux  Wiki[1] or  an article  by Mark  Wielaard at
> LWN[2].
>
>   At DevJam  several Java people  from different distributions  meet for
> the first time. This way there was the possibility to talk about how the
> different  distributions  currently  handle java  packages.  Furthermore
> there are several discussions how  the distributions can join efforts in
> their task of maintaining java packages.
>
>   We    discussed   the    available    toolchain   (compiler,   runtime
> environments,  tools) for free  java available.  Both  from  an upstream
> point  of  view  and what  is  the   best  approach to  integrate  them.
> Discussion  happened  if  we  should  have  the  default  compiler   and
> runtimes and   how we can   make it easier  for users to  switch between
> different java environments.
>
>   Mark  Wielaard provided  an overview  about the  current state  of GNU
> classpath and which parts are currently missing and where to go with the
> new 1.5 features (generics-branch)
>
>   Andrew Haley (upstream of gcj) gave an overview about the state of aot
> (ahead of  time) compilation of java  code with gcj and  which tools are
> available for  packagers. Gary Benson gave  a talk about  the caveats of
> aot compiling  of java code during  packaging and how he  solves some of
> the problems in fedora packaging.
>
>   All over the days there happended discussions between people of debian
> java and other distributions about various topics of interest ...
>
>   Dalibor Topic  explained his experience with JCP  and the difficulties
> we have to understand, their  (SUNs) fear and the difficulties they have
> to understand our motivations for free software.
>
>   One of the needs of  distributions for schools like skolelinux is that
> free java just has to work. This is currently not the state as there are
> missing tools  (like keytool) in the  free toolchain as  well as missing
> implementations  in  GNU  classpath.  This  way  it  is  still  hard  to
> completely  use free  java  for education  without  the possiblity  that
> something breaks.
>
>   There were discussions how this  situation could be improved. First of
> all  the integration  of free  java  in the  distribution and  selective
> runtime  usage  for  programs   should  be  implemented  by  tools  like
> java-config or  find_jvm. This way  packagers can ensure that  a program
> really   works   with   his   configured  free   runtime   without   any
> problems.  Another point  is to  improve the  upstream toolchain  so its
> easier  for GNU classpath  developers to  get an  overview over  what is
> missing in  the code or  only implemented as  a stub. As there  is stuff
> missing  in GNU  classpath, priority  of implementing  functionality was
> also discussed.
>
>   I'm very sorry for the long delay of the report. Thanks for reading.
>
> People:
> o Wolfgang Baer (Debian)
> o Gary Benson (RedHat)
> o Daniel Bornkessel (SuSE)
> o Rene Engelhard (Debian)
> o Kurt Gramlich (DebianEdu, Skolelinux)
> o Andrew Haley (RedHat)
> o Matthias Klose (Ubuntu)
> o Michael Koch (GNU Classpath, Debian)
> o Pablo Pita
> o Petteri Rty (Gentoo)
> o Christian Thalinger (CacaoVM)
> o Dalibor Topic (Kaffe)
> o Arnaud Vandyck (Debian)
> o Jeroen VanWolffelaar (Debian)
> o Rene Wagner (OpenEmbedded)
> o Mark Wielaard (GNU Classpath)
> Sorry if I forgot someone...
>
> [0] http://java.debian.net/index.php/DevJam
> [1] http://skolelinux.de/wiki/FreeJava/Meeting050923
> [2] http://lwn.net/Articles/152664/
>
> - --
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>  : :' :rnaud
>  `. `'
>    `-
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