Re: -= PROPOSAL =- Release sarge with amd64
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:30:33 +0200, Ingo Juergensmann
<ij@2004.bluespice.org> said:
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 10:20:08AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> When the previous secretary went missing, I stepped in, read the
>> constitution, and wrote devotee. And coped. This is not rocket
>> science, people. Stop wanting to be spoon fed.
> So, to make a conclusion:
> - you are happy with Debian and how things work in Debian.
This is the kind of moronic oversimplification that gives lie
to the fact that the extended Debian community is a
meritocracy. Disagreeing with a hyped, overweening, wrong criticism
of the state of affairs in Debian does not imply that there is
nothing wrong here. Good God, man, the illogic of that conclusion is
mind boggling.
> - you don't see any problems in Debian that needs to get solved.
The same moronic binary view of the world. Added to a
profound misconception of the mechanisms in which the project works,
and the level of rudeness your posts display, I don't think it is
possible for most to work with you -- I certainly would find it
hard.
> Well, his mail annoyed me. Same blahblah over and over
> again. Instead of offering solutions, he denies the existing
> problems.
You, sir, are either an idiot, or can't read. You certainly
need to understand logic, if nothing else.
And i did offer a solution, which you seem unable to
see. There are ways in which things get done, and that is by not
treating fellow developers as faceless tyrants that one can heap
endless abuse on. It starts with treating them as _people_, not as
the wicked ftpmaster of the west. A modicum of civility goes a long
way; your attitude makes communication with you unpleasant, and
therefore unlikely.
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:27:23 +0200, Ingo Juergensmann <ij@2004.bluespice.org> said:
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 09:55:59AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> > People in role positions should IMHO be forced to communicate
>> > with *everyone* that address to their role position. If they
>> > don't communicate with others, DPL should take action to remove
>> > them from their role.
>> Then Debian is not the project you are looking for. You can't
>> force people; all you'll get is people refusing to serve in
>> critical positions that the project needs. I am pretty sure I would
>> not take up thankless and unremunerative positions in Debian,
>> working harder, above and beyond maintaining my packages,if I were
>> forced to do whatever strikes the projects fancy. That would make
>> an already thankless job that much less rewarding.
> Nobody forced you to take over a job - but if you take over a task,
> you should be able to get forced to do something that is part of
> your job.
As I said, Debian is not the project you are looking for.
>> A cute way for the project to self destruct.
> So, what's the difference to the current situation of Debian?
Not having AMD64 in Sarge is not the end of the world -- and
even the port members seem to concur.
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 19:28:06 +0200 (CEST), Ingo Juergensmann
<ij@2004.bluespice.org> said:
> Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho said:
>> Am I the only one who's smelling an incoming project fork? I'd
>> like it if it didn't come to that.
> No, you're not the only one. I would prefer a radical change in
> Debian over a fork as well.
Ah yes. The outsider who wants to make radical changes in an
organization he is not really a part of. I think it is safe to say
you have no idea about what you speak.
manoj
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what he meant. Wilson Mizner
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