Re: Complete draft of the March 16th and 30th meetings minutes

[Frans Pop <elendil@planet.nl>]

On Monday 06 April 2009, Christian Perrier wrote:
> In general followup to this and mostly because I think we don't need a
> flamewar here, I've amended the meeting report to:
>
> ==========================================
> A proposal was made to upload the installation guide more often, which
> Otavio volunteered for. However, post-meeting, Frans Pop indicated
> that he's not comfortable with that approach that doesn't fit his work

s/that doesn't/as it doesn't/
s/his/the current/

> method. As Frans is doing a great job maintaining the installation
> guide, his way to organize the work should be preferred and we drop

s/his/the current/

> the initial idea of very frequent uploads of the IG.

This is not about "preferring my way", but about properly discussing 
changes with the current de facto maintainer and official RM instead of 
blundering blindly about and making random changes without any proven 
benefit and without having any idea of their impact.

> ==========================================
>
> Frans, may I suggest that, time and agenda permitting, you attend the
> D-I team meetings, even silently, so that you can react to such
> proposals when they are done during the meetings. That would probably
> save us such grumpy exchange (or at least keep it to IRC...).

Why???

IMO when someone who is currently doing the vast majority work on 
something is not present during a meeting it is up to the people who 
_are_ present and especially the person who wants to make changes to 
contact that someone. Not the other way around.

In a perfect world the meeting log would have shown something like:
  otavio: OK. Frans is not here, so if there are no objections to that
  idea now I'll discuss the idea with him
or:
  <someone>: Shouldn't this be discussed with Frans? After all, he is
  the current RM for the manual and has been doing most of the work on
  it for the past 5 years.

Attending meetings, or even reading their logs, is not required nor should 
it be (and neither is presence on IRC). (And I think that ATM it's a lot 
better for those meetings if I don't attend them.)

There is quite a bit more to doing a release for the manual than just 
building and uploading it (after all, why should the manual be any 
different from the rest of D-I?).