Please find below the minutes of the Debian Installe rteam meeting of June 24th. As usual, these minutes are linked in the D-I meetings wiki page (http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Meetings). Debian Installer team meeting number 12 has been held from 16:00UTC to 17:29UTC on Saturday June 24th 2006 on #debian-boot@irc.debian.org There were about 70 people connected to the channel during the meeting and 13 of them spoke during the meeting at least once. The full log of the meeting is available at http://people.debian.org/~bubulle/d-i/irc-meeting-20060624/log Status of partman-crypto ------------------------ David Härdeman and Max Vozeler gave a pretty complete picture of partman-crypto and partman-crypto-auto in [1]. partman-crypto is considered ready enough for being included in D-I beta3 as long as enough documentation is written for being included in the Installation Guide. (update: has been done in the meantime) partman-crypto-auto has been widely tested by David but could be a little bit too young for beta3. It needs more testing by other users and will not be included in D-I beta3. The root filesystem on an encrypted partition ("root-on-crypto") needs some work in order to have some keyboard mapping for users of non US keyboards. As a temporary solution, a warning will be included in the password prompt to remind users that the keyboard is temporarily using a US keymap. This solution will allow waiting for a better solution with detection in D-I and addition of a keymap in the initramfs config when needed. The default for partman-crypto will be dm-crypt. Graphical installer ------------------- Davide Viti wrote a summary in [2]. Fonts and new libraries remain the hot topic. The refinement of the fonts list is under way. Most needed fonts have been identified. Some needed new udebs which have nearly all be included by their respective maintainers. Some of these require some NEW processing to enter the archive (ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts, ttf-farsiweb, ttf-tamil-fonts). The topic is not considered priority enough for a specific request to be sent to ftpmasters. Some cairo-directfb packages are under heavy work by Dave Beckett and packages have been uploaded to experimental, which allows to build experimental images when some tests are needed. The GTK+DFB patch should be integrated by Josselin very soon and packages uploaded to experimental. (update: done in the meantime, see [3]) Davide will create a wiki page to give the details of the libraries migration plan. Xavier Oswald's work on a C reimplementation of gparted is still work in progress and is committed in the parted SVN on alioth. (update post-meeting; Xavier posted a summary as of [4]). All this is mostly waiting for gtk2.8 to be used. Xavier mentioned that help will be needed to complete this work. Beta3 release ------------- The release preparations have just started ([5]). The tentative plan is to release in 3 weeks. Kernel 2.6.16 for the release ----------------------------- The main blocker for the release is 2.6.16 to enter testing. If that process goes normally, the timing should be possible. Actually, we are missing udebs for some arches. Frans will remind porters very soon. The topic of the target kernel release for Etch is briefly mentioned. No one has actually a clear idea about this, though.. Migration of udebs ------------------ A massive migration of udebs to testing will be needed for the release. This also includes some removals, such as "prebaseconfig". From now on and until the release, ALL CHANGES THAT MAY BE UNWANTED IN BETA3 should be coordinated with Frans and not committed without his approval. Almost all changes to be included in the release have already been uploaded. A lot of changes affect several udebs and require them to be migrated to testing together. The migration is certain to break most Beta2 images (except for full CD and netinst images). udebs not maintained by the team ("non d-i udebs") will soon be checked by Frans. Changes in debian-cd needed after migration ------------------------------------------- S/390 and Sparc builds need some updates. Some discussions about including yaird as an alternate initrd generator to the netinsts occurs but no strong conclusions is reached. Ports need testing ------------------ Nothing really new here: all ports need some testing by porters before the release of a new version of d-i. Apart from i386, amd64 and s/390, most ports are not very deeply tested, from the reports that we get. Sven Luther will conduct deeper tests on most powerpc arches and subarches. It is suggested that a mail is sent to debian-devel-announce to request more tests of d-i ports. ppc64 native installer ---------------------- The native port does not get much support within the project. However it is agreed that the suggested changes have up to now not been very invasive and have always been made very openly and proactively. After some discussion the following proposal is accepted: -d-i team will not maintain ppc64 data -ppc64 will not be allowed to interfere with release plans (i.e. any needed changes have to be submitted in time) -in principle no separate uploads for ppc64 changes -to be removed if not maintained Post-Beta3 development ----------------------- Removing 2.4 kernel support --------------------------- 2.4 kernels will be dropped for Etch. As a consequence, the team agrees that we don't want to support 2.4 kernels. This will be announced and the porters for arches which still need it will have to do the needed work to migrate. Up to now, this concerns m68k on some subarches, mipsen and arm. This fits the project's plans to drop support for 2.4 in Etch. It is then decided to drop support for the first Release Candidate version of D-I. This will mean all ports still using 2.4 kernels (or even 2.2) will need to drop these. In several udebs some code cleanup will be possible because of this decision. The m68k d-i porters, who are most dependent on older kernels for some of their subarches, have earlier stated that they have no problem with this decision and will possibly maintain a temporary fork of d-i to keep support for those subarches. Persistent device naming ------------------------ This works for network devices, with the exception of s/390. The situation is less clear for disk devices....and the meeting did not clear it up more...:-). Frans mentions a "bad feeling" about the general situation here. Proposal for screen-based installs ---------------------------------- Sven mentions a recent idea that came during a work on IBM powerpc64 hardware with serial-based installs. The idea is about using a system similar to the current open-ssh-client udeb by using screen for doing multi-console installs. It is agreed that this is a prospective idea that needs a more detailed plan and a further discussion. Conclusion ---------- The next meeting is very likely to be held either at the end of July if that seems needed for the release or much later, to prepare the Release Candidate 1 version, probably at some moment in September. We should probably have a meeting shortly after the release to discuss dropping 2.4 and code cleanup. We should specifically invite porters for ports that still use 2.4 for that meeting. Links ----- [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/06/msg00893.html [2] http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/06/msg00902.html [3] http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/06/msg01588.html [4] http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/06/msg01358.html [5] http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/EtchBeta3Prep
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