Im not going to being any boot floppies work for a few weeks. There is a proposal in debian new maint to effectively close the system to NM again, i need to get away for a bit and think about my future involvment in debian, if debian is going to become just an elitist club with me on the outside then i dunno if i want to be involved. I have another project i want to spend some time on anyway. I will be back, just taking a break to collect my thoughts. Glenn